Is 42Mph Right?

BlueLightSpecial

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I have a 1983 Galaxy 210, 19.5' with a VP AQ225D/280. Original motor and outdrive. 19 pitch stainless prop. It runs great, has equal and good compression across all 8 cyl, newer carb, tuned up end of last year. Pulls skiers right up, and turns about 4000 rpm at WOT. I can only muster 42 mph out of her, heading down stream. I have friends with 135 hp 3.0s run 45 mph. I bought the boat off the original owner, all he did was go from a 21 pitch prop, to a 19. A friend of mine has a 19' Bayliner w/ a 220hp 4.3, and he gets 53 mph. I figured my boat should do around 50, but I get know where near that. All the speeds in this post have been GPS confirmed, and i used an inductive pick up with my Fluke multi meter to confirm the max RPM.:mad:
 

Lyle29464

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

might have gained a bit of weight. water in foam? but you need to do a compression test and a good tuneup to rule out engine problems.
 

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

might have gained a bit of weight. water in foam? but you need to do a compression test and a good tuneup to rule out engine problems.
Has a new Floor, stringers and foam. I tuned it up, did a compression test, got 118 to 120 across all cylinders.
 

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

Try the 21 pitch prop it will increase your top end but may not pull up skiers as well
 

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Hold on ^^^^^ he's only reaching 4000 RPM. Need to rewind a little here. What gear ratio?
 

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A couple of observations/questions:

1) define "downstream". How much current do we subtract from the 42 MPH?

2) A 225 at the flywheel, if everything is right, is only 190 - 205 at the prop as they rate them today. So your buddies 220 4.3 has as much as 30 more hp at the prop and it is lighter.

3) I think I have confirmed a 1.61 ratio. Do we know that this drive is a 1.6?

4) I am getting 6% slip which is very good, going the wrong way as we are looking for improvements.

5) The WOT range is 4000 - 4400, so if all else is right, going up in pitch is not the answer.

6) You said "about 4000". Can you confirm what it was exactly? You used the inductive tach properly? Both tachs agreed I assume.

7) What're you doing as far as trim etc.?

8) What's your typical load like? Stuff, people, ice, beer etc.

I feel like something isn't right, but having a hard time pinpointing. Anything else will help. I am thinking it should pull a 21, but the data says it won't.
 
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Lyle29464

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The bayliner is very light. What was used in the new floor etc?
 

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

A couple of observations/questions:

1) define "downstream". How much current do we subtract from the 42 MPH?

2) A 225 at the flywheel, if everything is right, is only 190 - 205 at the prop as they rate them today. So your buddies 220 4.3 has as much as 30 more hp at the prop and it is lighter.

3) I think I have confirmed a 1.61 ratio. Do we know that this drive is a 1.6?

4) I am getting 6% slip which is very good, going the wrong way as we are looking for improvements.

5) The WOT range is 4000 - 4400, so if all else is right, going up in pitch is not the answer.

6) You said "about 4000". Can you confirm what it was exactly? You used the inductive tach properly? Both tachs agreed I assume.

7) What're you doing as far as trim etc.?

8) What's your typical load like? Stuff, people, ice, beer etc.

I feel like something isn't right, but having a hard time pinpointing. Anything else will help. I am thinking it should pull a 21, but the data says it won't.
1. Downstream in the slow moving Allegheny River north of Pittsburgh, Pa.

3. It is in fact 1.6 ratio

6. I use my inductive tach very often, and I am familiar with the proper set up and operation. The highest RPM recorded was 4053. The tach in the dash should 4000 on the nose, so Its pretty close.

7. Trim is set in the center hole on the transom shield.

8. This info was gathered, with just myself in the boat, no coolers, just safety equipment, ropes, 2 15lb anchors, one pair of skis. Btw, I weigh 300lbs. One battery, small tool box with a few screwdrivers, a few combination wrenchs, and a roll of duct tape. Nothing extra at the time of testing. I know I can pull a few more RPM, and still hold together. Besides, I am not usually running her WOT, 4bbl's screaming, etc. Just want to make sure I am getting everything out of her. BTW, the timing is set at 10 btdc, and the advance is working, no weights seized up or anything.
 

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3/4 marine plywood for the stringers, bulkheads, and floor. Stringers were laminated to 2 1/4 width, bulkheads are 1 1/2 laminated. Just realizing, the original bulkheads were just 3/4, so I think I just answered my question. Guys at work call me "OK", meaning Over Kill.
 

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

a roll of duct tape.
There's your problem :p

I'd try changing the trim setting out one for the heck of it. When you got the 4053 was that at WOT? Not 100% clear. This may be all she'll get. Everything else seems to check out with the exception of overall somewhat low compression.
 

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

Sometimes when a boat is rebuilt it may pick up a little hook in the bottom near the transom.
Does it respond to up trim?
Some times with age the timing advance gets stiff and doesn't advance as it should.
Does the throttle open all the way?
 

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His drive has fixed trim . . . Has three holes kinda like an OB.
 

steelespike

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

Does the boat respond by setting the trim higher.
or does the boat lay down like its glued to the water?
 

Lyle29464

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

I think it gained weight. see if you can find a 17 prop with some cup
 

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

If I'm correct that one has the old style Volvo outdrive, not the SX drive, and uses props with huge blades that look like they have negitive rake. I don't think these units can attain the same speed as an SX drive using the same horsepower.
 

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Re: Is 42Mph Right?

If I'm correct that one has the old style Volvo outdrive, not the SX drive, and uses props with huge blades that look like they have negitive rake. I don't think these units can attain the same speed as an SX drive using the same horsepower.

i think thats a very important point. 42mph is for this old engine and drive, without power trim, a good result and maybe you simply cannot expect more.
 
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