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[Overkill82k5]

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Back in the saddle (maybe). I have been in heavy contemplation on rebuilding my 112SPL. While scouring the web for that powerhead, that some guy bought and never installed, so he's selling it dirt cheap years later, I ran across a deal I may be able to swing. I have a line on a '98 Johnson Ocan Pro direct injection. I will be looking at it tomorrow at lunch time, but wanted to get a ballpark idea of what it may be worth and if it will be compatible with my '96 112 carburated controls, wiring, guages, etc... Supposedly it looks showroom new and was running great when it was pulled, for a bigger replacement. I will check compression and spark when I see it in person but wanted to know approximate value and if it was compatible with my current harness and such. Also, if it was known as a lemon or common problems, etc... Anyone willing to share this information? Hopefully I can be back on the water by next weekend! Woohoooo, withdrawls suck....

Thanks again everyone for the help so far!

 

[Overkill82k5]

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Anybody?

Anybody?

Beuller?

Wow, this subforum moves fast on the weekend! Just a refresh in hopes of getting some info before I make a (possibly) expensive mistake.

 

[jonesg]

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Back in the saddle (maybe). I have been in heavy contemplation on rebuilding my 112SPL. While scouring the web for that powerhead, that some guy bought and never installed, so he's selling it dirt cheap years later, I ran across a deal I may be able to swing. I have a line on a '98 Johnson Ocan Pro direct injection. I will be looking at it tomorrow at lunch time, but wanted to get a ballpark idea of what it may be worth and if it will be compatible with my '96 112 carburated controls, wiring, guages, etc... Supposedly it looks showroom new and was running great when it was pulled, for a bigger replacement. I will check compression and spark when I see it in person but wanted to know approximate value and if it was compatible with my current harness and such. Also, if it was known as a lemon or common problems, etc... Anyone willing to share this information? Hopefully I can be back on the water by next weekend! Woohoooo, withdrawls suck....

Thanks again everyone for the help so far!

Dirt cheap injected engine? ficht?

You seriously need to post the model number, if the direct injected engine has an F in the model number run away as fast as you can, its a ficht.
Worthless.

 

[3car]

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definately don't buy the ficht Jamie. do you have a 20 or 25" motor? there's a Guy here local with a 120 looper cheap. 25" shaft though.

 

[3car]

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oh, I think the old style controls(red plug) only work on motors through 1996. gauges should be compatible. furthermore, congratulations on killing a largely unkillable motor! lol

 

[Overkill82k5]

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definately don't buy the ficht Jamie. do you have a 20 or 25" motor? there's a Guy here local with a 120 looper cheap. 25" shaft though.

25" shaft

 

[Overkill82k5]

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oh, I think the old style controls(red plug) only work on motors through 1996. gauges should be compatible. furthermore, congratulations on killing a largely unkillable motor! lol

Haha, I picked Overkill for a reason! Havent found anything I couldnt kill yet!

 

[Overkill82k5]

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Dirt cheap injected engine? ficht?

You seriously need to post the model number, if the direct injected engine has an F in the model number run away as fast as you can, its a ficht.
Worthless.

I have been reading as much as i can in the last day or so and I think you are spot on with this statement! I am going to check it out in person in a couple hours. I plan on walking away from the deal unless I can get it for a coule hundred bucks as a pet project or something to part out...

Much thanks, agian.

 

[Overkill82k5]

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No dice on the FICHT, I walked... The search continues for a motor or powerhead... Wish me luck (still). haha

 

[Overkill82k5]

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Ok, finally found me a motor for transplant onto the Wellcraft bowrider. I found an '89 Johnson 140 (model number J140CXCEC). It appears to be a 140, long shaft, reverse rotation. Before taking the plunge I read up on reverse rotation and aside from possible listing issues I should be fine. Once up and running I may try to find someone who wants to trade feet so I can get a normal rotation, but as for now, this will work (hopefully). I checked compression and it seemed a little low across the board, 80 - 95 on all cylinders, but it has been sitting for a couple years. Hopefully after it's fired up and relubed those numbers will climb some. It has been laying on it's side on a pallet for quite a while and I tested it there. The motor came off a saltwater deep V so it has some rust issues. I am pretty sure I will need a trim pump as it's about rusted through and a few other odds and ends but overall I think I did good for the $400 I got it for.

Now, on to the de-rusting job and going through everything to make sure it's all working like it should be. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share about de-rusting and re-lubing etc?

Here's a couple pics for visualization assistance...

 

[Overkill82k5]

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Update: Well, got to tinkering with the 140 and apparently someone took the fill plug out of the TT reservoir. They also pulled the metering valve out on the pump. I looked up the parts to put it back together and... Hole Cow! Almost $300 for those! Guess it's time to scour ebay and CL... I also need a new TT switch, the one mounted on the engine. Quite amazing that a 2 contact switch with 3 wires on it cost $50, haha. I'm starting to understand what it is about salt water that makes people nervous when machinery is involved... Maybe my "great find" wasnt so great!

 

[jonesg]

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The corrosion is due to the lack of zinc anodes, some dummy removed them and left it in the salt.
You can find complete T/T units for $3-400.

Its not a bad deal, counter rotation doesn't mean much, I have one too.

Consider getting a jackplate bracket that raises the engine up, they bolt right on the transom.
Wire brush should remove the corrosion, then paint it and run it to death while you rebuild the other one. The kill em both.!

 

[jonesg]

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THeres a lost of outboard boneyards floating around the website someplace, or ask Tash, thats the next best place to look after craigslist ,
ebay is a bit nuts.

 

[Overkill82k5]

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The corrosion is due to the lack of zinc anodes, some dummy removed them and left it in the salt.
You can find complete T/T units for $3-400.

Its not a bad deal, counter rotation doesn't mean much, I have one too.

Consider getting a jackplate bracket that raises the engine up, they bolt right on the transom.
Wire brush should remove the corrosion, then paint it and run it to death while you rebuild the other one. The kill em both.!

I was wondering about the corrosion. It actually has the 2 anodes on the transom mount and the one above the cav plate is just about gone from corrosion. the 2 mount ones were probably replaced, after the fact... I havent really started scouring for parts yet. I want to go through it all first, make a list, then go shoplifting... I mean shopping... I have seen a few CL adds where peeps were parting out similar motors, or had blown up ones for super cheap... Sounds like I might be frankenstein-ing 2 to make one good one, haha.

While it's fresh, what kind of paint would be acceptable for these motors? I have a neighbor that swears by appliance enamel. His seem to have held up well, but if one day it's all gonna flake off, I would like to avoid re-doing it again. Any thoughts?

 

[Overkill82k5]

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Spent the morning tinkering and building an engine stand. Got it mounted on the stand and decided to see if it would run... It did! First crank it fired up like it was just put away yesterday. Talk about surprised! If it wasnt for the TT issue I would probably be on the water tomorrow. TT, water pump impeller and TT switch and I should be rockin... Now to the shopping...

 

[jonesg]

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Lots of guys spray paint outboards, I don't know what they use.
ZIncs that are 20% gone are worn out, mine were perfect because the boatyard spray painted over them. They probably used krylon or somethin cheapo.

 

[Overkill82k5]

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Guess I will have to keep digging to find the right paint, if there is such a thing. I'm sure I could find an "outboard paint" for 3x the normal price of the same stuff, but....

I got the foot dropped and what a mess. Tried to get the impeller off and it was corroded solid to the shaft. I had to cut the rubber part off and torch the bronze hub til the remaining rubber was on fire before I could get it to budge. Everything inside the foot is scaled up. Honestly this is the first foot I dropped and didnt know what to expect on the inside.

After removing the impeller I took the wire wheel to it and smoothed all the rust and corrosion and rubbed a layer of grease on it to keep it protected (for awhile anyway).

I drained the gear oil to see what it looked like and it was nasty black and chunky. Thankfully no milkiness (is that a word?) or metal shavings. It took quite a bit to get the drain and fill screws out, but a ton of chisel and hammering with more heat and it they finally came out.

I think I'm excited about getting back on the water. I just gotta keep reminding myself that I have alot more work to do before that can happen I definitley want to do it right the first time and not have to retrace steps and go through all this again in the near future!

 

[Overkill82k5]

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update: Things seem to be humming along nicely now. I finished putting the new impeller in the foot, changed the oil in the foot, got it mounted back on and ready to roll. I got the old motor off and the new (to me) motor bolted on and the TT working. I think all I have left to do is clean the carbs (dont want another meltdown), repaint the new motor and finish hooking the electricals up and I will back to cruising central florida! Hopefully that reverse rotation wont induce any strangeness into my ride. I found another lower unit for $200 if I decide I need to go to a normal rotation.

Now onto my other big project (new thread starting on it). I have an 84 Sea Ray 225SRV that has a rod knocking. I found a short block and heads for a song and have em awaiting gaskets for transplant. Feels like it's gonna be a great fall this year! ;-)