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You folks really believe that these comments effected the kids in a negative way. I think it made them think. Do not believe for a minute that 14 year olds in today's society are not aware that cigarettes are addictive, heroin is bad, alchol and all the others have down sides.<br /><br />As for taping an unknown I have no problem as long as one party of the conversation knows that it is being taped. That is what formerly required a warrant, it is called wire taping.<br /><br />Oh, had a great week fishing and addressing my flashbacks and given the full steam ahead.
 
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There is no expectation of privacy in a PUBLIC high school GEOGRAPHY class with 20+ students. I have taped dozens of classes without warrants. I have shared those tapes with fellow students. Professors never agreed to have their classes taped but none ever complained. It never crossed my mind to obtain a warrant. Who would you ask for a warrant to tape a class? A federal judge? A warrant is required for information used in a court of law by the government where normal taping would not be possible and secret taps on private calls to gather incriminating evidence over phone lines or the internet are approved, not in the court of public opinion by a rightfully concerned parent taping a civil servant in a public format within a public building spewing information you clearly don't have any issue with. Does that mean Rodney King video was an illegal recording? Nobody agreed to be taped before the recording.<br /><br />This was not wire tapping. Nor was it illegal.
 
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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> You folks really believe that these comments effected the kids in a negative way.
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Yes, I believe that there are truly some very bright kids who are trying to find their way and respond to anyone who speaks to them with passion. But that is not the point txs. It is not up to an individual teacher to impose his views unless they are balanced with a fair depiction of the opposing position. I know that all things cannot and never will be unbiased, but there needs to be an attempt. I heard no evidence of an attempt.<br /><br />My 17 year old and I were talking tonight. He was telling me how much he loved his US Gov't teacher specifically because he works hard at delivering both sides of an issue and describes it as that. It is difficult to define these things and I am not professing to understand them, but it starts with a realisation that your opinion is not necessarily the truth . . .
 
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There is no problem, IMO, with the taping.<br />Nor is there a problem with disagreeing with the content of what that teacher said.<br /><br />The notion that somehow these kids are "impressionable" and therefore to be protected from any controversial statements is ridiculous. It will insure they remain impressionable as adults.<br /><br />Which of course would explain the apparent audience for people like Rush, who seem to thrive with the products of our education system.<br /><br />There are military recruiters on high school campuses, fer gawds sake. Do you really think how we got into this war, and what we are doing in the war, should be "off limits" topics???
 
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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> <br /><br />As for taping an unknown I have no problem as long as one party of the conversation knows that it is being taped. That is what formerly required a warrant, it is called wire taping.<br />
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Wire taping, or wire tapping? There is no such offense known as "wire taping." And wire tapping involves telephones lines---hence the name---"wire" tapping.<br /><br />If recording a professor or teacher's lectures is illegal or unethical, then there are whole lotta students who are flirting with trouble.
 
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Interesting that certain "right wing" talk show hosts predicted that the kid would be demonized. I guess it's highly unethical to catch a leftist in the act of abusing his position and attempting to spread outrageous lies. He's hiding behind the concept of "making the kids think," but he was really using his bully pulpit to promote his "hate America" agenda.
 
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I'll bet if the guy was "caught" teaching creationism, several of you would have remarkably different point of views regarding "impressionable" 14 year olds.
 
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My kids would have called him on any thing they thought was BULL and debated him :) <br /><br />There is nothing he could say that would change the VALUES they were taught from the time they were born<br /><br />Now if the school is full of children with NON-PARENTS that might be a problem<br /><br />tommays
 
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Kagee makes a very valid point and seems reasonably analogous to me. Frankly, I want my kids to hear that the origin of Evolution is not understood. They should be given the evidence that species evolve and a discussion that the origin of this phenomenon is not known. I would smile for a week if my kids had a courageous and intellectually honest teacher that would deal with both sides of that story. I feel the same about the Geography lesson; give them all of it and their minds are opened, not polluted.
 
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Originally posted by QC:<br />
Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> You folks really believe that these comments effected the kids in a negative way.
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But that is not the point Techno. <br />
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Hey, Qestionable, don't take me task on this. I have heard a plethora of arguments on academic freedom. My soul contribution to this thread was with regard to the severity of nicotine addiction of which I speak from first hand experience. YMMV<br />It is obvious that your worldly education has failed you in the theatre of forensic discussion. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, whether there is basis in fact or not.
 
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Techno, That was purely a mistake. I am sorry. Somewhere in my head I cross mojinated your handle with txs's. Simply a mistake, nothing more. Edited above.<br /><br />Thanks for your constructive criticism . . .
 
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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> There is no problem, IMO, with the taping.<br />Nor is there a problem with disagreeing with the content of what that teacher said.<br /><br />The notion that somehow these kids are "impressionable" and therefore to be protected from any controversial statements is ridiculous. It will insure they remain impressionable as adults.<br /><br /> oj>>>>>>Sorry controversial statements (free speech) about your beliefs/lies belongs outside the classrooms. <br /><br />Which of course would explain the apparent audience for people like Rush, who seem to thrive with the products of our education system.<br /><br /> oj>>>>>>>>He,he..a kid tapes a teacher making claims 180 from the historical truth and somehow Rush has a covert responsibility for this negative behavior..? thats rich! :D <br /><br />There are military recruiters on high school campuses, fer gawds sake. Do you really think how we got into this war, and what we are doing in the war, should be "off limits" topics??? <br /><br /> oj>>>>>>Owwwweeee!..settle down now.....those college campi and highschools are funded by the federal gov/tax payers... :rolleyes:
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PW2,<br /><br />I am not a huge fan of having the military recruit in our public schools. And there are several city's including SF (supposedly an enlightened community open to ALL points of view. NOT) that prohibit recruiters in their schools. (Arrogant and selfish) But the difference in your comparison is a student can say "no thanks" to a recruiter and walk away. They could also choose to not speak to them at all! I would be just as angry if they came in under the guise of recruiting camp counselors and then extolled the virtues of the military. That would be misleading.<br /><br />Could any of those students at that age feel empowered to say to the teacher, hey this is nothing more than American hating Communistic rhetoric and you are wasting my time and I won't stand for it. I'M OUTTA HERE. No they didn't. They are not graded by the recruiter. They will be tested on the material as the guy told them to "write this down" and do you think if you fail to meet this idiots expectation you will recieve a fair grade? He couldn't create a fair lecture. I am sure many of the parents including the parents of the boy that recorded this trash would have not enrolled their son in a class entitled "Communism 201, the case for hating our country and Isreal." It's misleading. It's called ADVANCED GEOGRAPHY. <br /><br />So I don't see exactly where you think there is a parallel to the recruiting of the military. They are proud of their jobs, and wear a uniform to project that. Perhaps a nice cresent and sickle would help identify who this guy is and what he is about. But that might be too honest for him.
 
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This loon was on the today show this morning. Funny he does know how to speak without screaming or foaming at the mouth. Dress him up, trot him out, and open a discussion about freedom of expression. It's not the issue, but was interesting just the same. Smug little jerk is loving the limelight.
 
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