Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

Klink

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The Joe Reeves Maximum Spark Advance timing method below does not mention if the throttle cable is disconnected. I saw another thread that said the shift cable is disconnected (which makes sense), however, nowhere do I see any mention of removing the throttle cable. The reason I ask is because I disconnected the throttle cable too, and adjusted everything as per the instructions. However, when I went back and installed the throttle cable, it does not pull the same as I did by hand, and it looks like the spark advance is much more retarded, it falls short of the mark at full throttle that I had set with the throttle cable disconnected.





(Timing At Cranking Speed 4?)
(J. Reeves)

NOTE-1: If your engine has the "Fast Start" feature", you must disconnect/eliminate that feature in order to use the following method. The "Fast Start" automatically advances the spark electronically when the engine first starts, dropping it to normal when the engine reaches a certain temperture.

NOTE-2: A fellow member (Klink) from one of the various marine forums suggested having water supplied to the water pump (flushette or barrel) simply to provide lubrication to impeller. A worthwhile suggestion I thought, and entered here as an option.

The full spark advance can be adjusted at cranking speed,"without" have the engine running as follows.

To set the timing on that engine, have the s/plugs out, and have the throttle at full, set that timer base under the flywheel tight against the rubber stop on the end of the full spark timer advance stop screw (wire it against that stop if necessary).

Rig up a spark tester on the #1 cylinder plug wire. Hook up the timing light to the #1 plug wire. Crank the engine over and set the spark advance to 4? less than what the engine calls for.

It's a good idea to ground the other plug wires to avoid sparks that could ignite fuel that may shoot out of the plug holes. I've personally never grounded them out and have never encountered a problem but it could happen.

I don't know the full spark advance setting your engine calls for, but to pick a figure, say your engine calls for 28?, set the timing at 24?. The reasoning for the 4? difference is that when the engine is actually running, due to the nature of the solid state ignition componets, the engine gains the extra 4?.

If you set the engine to its true setting at cranking speed, when running it will advance beyond its limit by 4? which will set up pre-ignition causing guaranteed piston damage! You don't want that to take place.

No need to be concerned about the idle timing as that will take care of itself. The main concern is the full advance setting.

Be sure to use your own engines spark advance settings, not the one I picked out of the air here in my notes.
 

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

The short of it is:

Is the Joe Reeves -4 timing method done with the throttle cable connected or disconnected?
 

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

There is no need for either cable to be disconnected. Spin the prop so that you can put the engine into gear properly, then open the throttle with the control lever.
 

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

Does having my having the shifter cable disconnected and in neutral affect your timing method?

If the shift cable is connected, wouldn't the spinning prop put a load on the starter?
 

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

There is no need for either cable to be disconnected. Spin the prop so that you can put the engine into gear properly, then open the throttle with the control lever.

Does my having the shifter cable disconnected and in neutral affect your timing method?

If the shift cable is connected, wouldn't the spinning prop put a load on the starter?
 

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

Spinning the prop is to mesh the clutch dog with the gear, they're not spring loaded like the Mercury ones so they will bind up if you hit tooth to tooth.
 

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

There is no need for either cable to be disconnected. Spin the prop so that you can put the engine into gear properly, then open the throttle with the control lever.

OK, I re-did it again with the control cables on and set it to -4 (24 degrees). I did it WOT in neutral as the starter won't turn in forward. It looks like it was either disconnect the shifter or disconnect the neutral safety switch, two equal hassles on this boat, so, I tried to crank the engine in forward with a remote starter switch direct to the starter solenoid. The engine cranked, but the timing light was receiving no spark, I assume it's something to do with the neutral safety switch system.

I didn't see any difference in the throttle stroke between being in WOT forward gear (spinning the prop) or being in WOT in neutral, so, I assume it'll be no different when and if I test in WOT in the water.​
 

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

I tried to crank the engine in forward with a remote starter switch direct to the starter solenoid. The engine cranked, but the timing light was receiving no spark, I assume it's something to do with the neutral safety switch system.

I didn't see any difference in the throttle stroke between being in WOT forward gear (spinning the prop) or being in WOT in neutral, so, I assume it'll be no different when and if I test in WOT in the water.​

Cranking the engine via a remote starter switch/button is the proper method to be used.

To obtain spark, the spark plugs must be removed and the key in the RUN position.

The Neutral Safety Switch has nothing to do with the ignition... it simply disrupts the needed voltage to the solenoid to energize it (the reason for the remote switch/button).

If the timer base will swing to its full spark advance setting (up against the rubber stop in your case), it makes no difference if the engine is in gear or not. Various engines have a built in spark advance stop linkage (in neutral & reverse) to keep the engine from obtaining the full throttle/full spark advance setting in order to avoid a runaway engine scenario..... hence my mention of putting the engine into forward gear.

If your timer base was up against the spark advance stop and stayed there when you set the timing, you're okay with the water test. If however the timer base was not at the full spark advance setting when you set the timing, then of course the timing will be incorrect.
 
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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

Cranking the engine via a remote starter switch/button is the proper method to be used.

To obtain spark, the spark plugs must be removed and the key in the RUN position.

The Neutral Safety Switch has nothing to do with the ignition... it simply disrupts the needed voltage to the solenoid to energize it (the reason for the remote switch/button).

If the timer base will swing to its full spark advance setting (up against the rubber stop in your case), it makes no difference if the engine is in gear or not. Various engines have a built in spark advance stop linkage (in neutral & reverse) to keep the engine from obtaining the full throttle/full spark advance setting in order to avoid a runaway engine scenario..... hence my mention of putting the engine into forward gear.

If your timer base was up against the spark advance stop and stayed there when you set the timing, you're okay with the water test. If however the timer base was not at the full spark advance setting when you set the timing, then of course the timing will be incorrect.

Joe, For the neophytes, adding the above verbiage might make it easier for them to understand and eliminate mistakes and follow up questions. Obviously, your call.

Edit- looks like you've already got 95% of the above in your document...I guess i never took the time to thoroughly read it. my bad
 
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Klink

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

Now I see the light! Thanks Joe.
 

phillnjack2

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Re: Joe Reeves Timing Method & the Throttle Cable

but is it just a timing light your seeing ?
 
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