Johnson carb vs ether

Peter Janssen

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Greetings.
I recently purchased a Johnson J6REEA X long. Barely used.
It will only start with just a whiff of ether.Seems to run ok. Will start normally while still warm.
I have adjusted the needle on the left of the carb, it only seems to change the idle.
Plugs come out dark tan, pretty healthy looking.
Pulling choke out while running barely makes a difference. Butterfly seems to move smoothly. As the engine is so "young" I hate to damage it with spray start even tho it has "upper cyl. lubricant".
Afterthought; does this carb have a fixed running jet ?
Can someone please help.

Pete.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Johnson carb vs ether

NEVER use either or starting fluid on a 2 stroke. use some premixed gas. BRP site is down, so i can't verify the fixed jet situation. but from the symptoms, it sounds like you are in for a carb cleaning, and rebuild kit. what year is the motor as i could not find the model #.
 

Scaaty

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Re: Johnson carb vs ether

Clean the carb..(good..like in off and a new carb kit installed)..what motor manufacturer would sell a motor and say..:"spray Ether in the carb to start"...:rolleyes:
 

Peter Janssen

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Re: Johnson carb vs ether

Dear Sir.
I asked this question as I am obviosly curious and uninformed as to WHY (lubricated) ether may be harmful to my engine. We cannot all be as well informed as yourself and have to depend on input from others, which, I think , is why this forum was developed.
I have read to many of your sarcastic and condecending replies to questions by fellow boaters, that where apparantly beyond your concern or interest.
Eye rolls , snores , and other put downs imply total lack of interest and civility.
One wonders, why do you bother ?
Terribly sorry to have taken up part of your afternoon nap for a snide and uninformative reply to a simple question.

Yours sincerley.

Peter Janssen.

pemere@charter.net
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Johnson carb vs ether

i don't know who you were referring to, in the above statement. either burn too hot for a 2 stroke, lubricated or not. it is the easiest way to burn a hole in a piston there is. now if you want to get back to the engine fine. i haven't been here for over 13,000 post twiddling my thumbs.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Johnson carb vs ether

I think that was directed at Scaaty.Why,who knows Scaaty was giving sound advice...Geeze!:rolleyes:..

Oh no! Eye roll......:p
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson carb vs ether

Pete..... I noticed that you have mentioned that the ether you used has "upper cylinder lubricant". Frankly I've never heard of that quality. The usual ether that the majority of us have come across has no lubricating qualitiies, and the use of it usually results in scored piston skirts etc. Hence, we avoid and do not recommend spraying anything into the carburetor throat except premixed (50/1) fuel.

That engine (I believe it is a 1999 6hp Johnson?) was manufactured some years after I retired so I'm really not familiar with the design of the carburetor excepting that I can say with confidence that it does have a fixed high speed jet which would be located at the bottom center portion of the float chamber. It may be within the float chamber OR it may simply be in the extended lower portion of the upper body.

The needle on the left side of the carburetor...... If it actually screws into the upper body and has a point of sorts on the end of it, then that would be the slow speed needle valve which would adjust the fuel flow at idle (low rpms). If on the other hand, it simply butts up against a stop bracket and its operation causes a lever to stop at a certain point, then it would simply increase or decrease the rpms to wherever one would want it set at a dead idle.

Exactly where that needle valve would be set if it regulates fuel flow is a unknown to me BUT the following pertains to previous models, say up to 1992 and these instructions may prove to be useful to you.

I'd suggest that you remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor using a complete carburetor kit. You may find the kit on this site, at your local dealership, or at NAPA.


(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)
(J. Reeves)

Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.

Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

Note: As a final double check setting of the slow speed valve(s), if the engine has more than one carburetor, do not attempt to gradually adjust all of the valves/carburetors at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve/carburetor. It may be necessary to back out "all" of the slow speed adjustable needle valves 1/8 turn before doing this final adjustment due to the fact that one of the valves might be initially set ever so slightly lean.

When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.

Good luck.

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson carb vs ether

Drug back out of page #3. Wonder if Pete is upset with us?
 

jwilkey84

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Re: Johnson carb vs ether

This is almost as entertaining as elementary age school girls fighting over a boy at recess.
 
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