Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

[denislajoie]

I have a 1967 Johnson Super Sea Horse 40 hp with the electramatic, it goes fine in reverse but when i put it in forward it feels like it engages for a few seconds but it slips out no matter how slow or fast i try to engage, I just bought this rig and the first time on the water was pretty dissapointing.

 

[StarTekh]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

dennis... jon montreal here.. simple chk... remove the cable. dont drop any parts .. put in<br />fordward.. and see if it stays in gear. if so .<br />its a simple cable adjustment..good luck

 

[denislajoie]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

thank you i will try that

 

[Paul Moir]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

I don't think that'll be very easy to try on an electramatic shift.<br />I've got my doubts, but the first things you should check is that the lower unit is filled with the proper fluid. Only BRP/OMC 'Premium Blend' can be used in electramatics or the clutchs will slip. It's available from your local Johnny/Rude dealer.<br />The next thing you should do is check the resistance of the coils. Disconnect the battery, press the 'neutral' switch, and measure the resistance between the green shift wire (forward) to ground. Then do the same with the blue shift wire (reverse). You should get between 4.5 and 6.5 ohms on each.<br />If nothing odd turns up, report back.

 

[StarTekh]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

Paul Moir ...thanks i though it was a simple cable problem.. i stand corrected....

 

[denislajoie]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

thanks i ve figured it out, the forward coil is burnt, does anyone have an idea on how much one is in canadian funds or if i were to get a used lower unit which years would fit my 1967.

 

[gmcjohnny]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

its not premium blend oil its oil just for elecrtic shift lowers

 

[phil.leblanc]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

Hi There. I'm next door from Gatineau and had or should say still have a similar problem. I have a 1964 Evinrude 40 hp. My reverse gear coil is finished. When I opened the foot to check further there were lots of shredded windings in the foot. <br />So I cleaned it up, changed the seals and went looking for a new or used reverse coil. Well a new one which is still available, believe it or not, is around $500. I found a used on at local boat shop but the guy wanted $250. Since Its only reverse in my case I just cleaned it up, changed the seals and use a paddle to reverse. In your case its a different story. Let me know and I will give you the places in Ottawa where you should find this forward coil. Oh and in case you were wondering, you can't exchange the forward coil for the reverse. There different.

 

[denislajoie]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

Thanks phil, i had an idea it would be expensive, you interested in a motor... runs fine in reverse...

 

[StarTekh]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

Hi jon here ..ill ask mi dealer .. who has been there bout a 103 yrs if he has a recycled one. and price a new one .. too stand-by

 

[lark2004]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

hi gmcjohnny, I hate to argue, but it really is "Premium blend only" in the selectric shift. The reasons are twofold, one is as Paul Moir pointed out, the clutchs don't grip properly unless you use preamium blend, and second, the normal gear oil will make your shift wire's insulation brittle, which will then break off and short out your shift wires.<br /><br />Oh, firephil, the coils are the same front and back, they are just pressed into different housings. I have swapped mine over with no problems at all. (I did have to fit new wires to the coils, but that was due to the insulation breaking from previous owner using normal gear oil. If anyone else tries this, I suggest silicon insulated wire, not PVC insulation)

 

[itstippy]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

You've had the lower unit off and ohm tested the coil directly? The shift wires run through the leg and the loom/insulation fries with age due to exhaust heat. The wires short out. Very common. Paul's test was a first step which is why he asked you to report back with results. He willl have you drop the lower unit next, if you haven't already. You need to replace the rubber waterpump impeller anyway.

 

[denislajoie]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

yes i have it all apart and the coil at the rear of the unit, green wire i believe, has many coils of wire ripped off and tangled in the bottom of the housing, when i tested for current i only had 7 volts and the wires got really hot and when i disconnected it there was sparks at the conector.

 

[phil.leblanc]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

Hi again, looks like the same thing happend to you. You found windings in the foot. Lark2004 said the windings or coils are the same. Ok he is right but you will have to carefully press them out and in again if you want to switch them around. For gear oil I have been using Type C which you find at Canadian Tire or even the 90 premium they have will do as it covers type C gear oil. If the oil was milky white when you opened the foot it means you had a broken seal and water got in to the gears. You now need to replace all seals and probably the water pump. There is a shop on St-Laurent Boul. north of Montreal rd which repairs motors and can get the parts for you. I have found them to be helpfull. You want to check your gears also to make sure they don't slip because of wear. You do this by twisting the gears. They should lock and not slip when you apply a good grip. If you want to sell it I may be interested in it for parts if they are the same, but I think you can get yours working for about $100. worth of seals, a new water pump and other misc. Good luck Phil.

 

[Paul Moir]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

Hello FirePhil. Get a bottle of OMC / BRP "Premium Blend" which Johnson and Evinrude insist on for selectric shifts and compare it to Canadian Tire "Type C" or their "90 Premium" and you'll instantly see the difference. "Premium Blend" (old OMC "Type C") is the consistancy of ATF or thereabouts, whereas the others are close to (or actually) 90 weight. That is to say, Canadian Tire "Type C" bears little resembelance to OMC "Type C".<br /><br />I think there's a lot of confusion bewteen selectric shift outboards and hydroelectric shift outboards, which will work fine (although a little sluggishly) on 90 weight oils.<br /><br />That said, the Canadian Tire "90 Premium" is pretty near ideal for OMC mechanical shift lower units of this era. I use it in all my outboards.

 

[StarTekh]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

Ya..Paul, but i think i stole the show. as i was tired and read the post toaly wrong... So<br />i stand gladly corrected..im working on his parts tomorow....

 

[Paul Moir]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

Good stuff. <br />The only problem with Iboats is there's hundreds of people looking over your shoulder. Ah, maybe that's not a bad thing.

 

[StarTekh]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

ok Jon here .. last price.. marine st ann is<br /> $314.00 no longe making the part .is what i was told and he had .. no recycled units... good luck

 

[denislajoie]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

ok thanks guys i think i ll try to put the reverse coil on the forward and paddle for reverse, anyone know how to remove the bottom coil (forward) from the housing, is it pressed or is mine just stubborn

 

[Paul Moir]

Re: Johnson super sea horse electramatic 40hp no forward

I'm no expert on servicing selectric shifts, but it appears to be pressed in. My old Seloc manual says to use Special Coil Remover Tool 379784 and Kit 379843. Alternatively, it suggests you can heat up the nose of the housing very very hot with a torch and rap it on a board to have it drop out.