Kerry vs Bush

LubeDude

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In my humble opion, we should have posters of 9/11 on billboards on the highways, all over our school rooms and hallways, and adds on TV every hour, reminding us who our enemys are! And yes they are the Muslim nations, They want us dead and there is no other way about it! Peacefull Religion my A*S!<br /><br />Oh, and Soulwinner, I couldnt have said it better myself. I really feel that if you think differently that you need to have your head examined, and Im serious about that. Are there things Bush has done that eritate me, yes, But Im sure not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Kerry for Pesident, You have absolutly GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!! Oh yes it would be nice if we didnt have to send our boys to war, but that is life, and it always has been, and the fact remains that if you are not strong you will be run over, its just a fact of life. I went into the Army During Vietnaum, I didnt have to go there, but I would have if I would have been sent, And I still beleive that we shouldnt have pardoned all the young men that went to Canada, They should still be there and would be if it were up to me. I have absolutly no respect for mamby pamby people that think we can just sit back and BE NICE and everyone just get along. This is America the land of the free, and our forfathers made it that way for us! So why are you trying so hard to tear it down, Get a life and get in or get out!!<br /><br />I guess thats how I feel!!!!
 

jtexas

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I have no strong argument to offer all those who support Bush using 911 images in his campaign ads - his handling of that situation was the first time I've ever seen him rise above the national level of mediocrity & put on anything approaching a "presidential" appearance. I just hate to see it dragged through the mud of a presidential campaign. And I don't want my choice to be influenced by the fear that those skills will be required of the next president.
 

plywoody

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I wish the dems would just keep quiet about the 9/11 ads. There is lots to go after Bush about how the war on terror is being conducted-how homeland security is going--etc. etc. Every time some dumb demo brings it up, 19 news shows have to play the segment over and over--for free- and its no big deal, and not worth bringing it up as an issue.<br />Whomever was in office at the time would have handled the start of it pretty much the same--empathize with the victims, vow revenge, and go after the Taliban in Afghanistan--the country would not have allowed any other response. It's what has happened since that is the real issue.<br /><br />I confess that Kerry is not my first choice--I liked Dean and I really like Joe Biden, who was never running.<br /> <br />But when the alternative is Bush, the choice is simple and clear--it has to be Kerry.<br /><br />I do predict this campaign will get as ugly as we have ever seen in a Presidential campaign--When you have the amount of money that Bush has, and the record he has which is pretty shaky at best, and other than vague non-specific spots ("I know what is best") it's going to be mudslinging to a level we have not even imagined yet.
 

bubbakat

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There is no comparson between kerry and bush.<br />Bush is the man.<br /><br /> Toad we all know what is wrong with you.don't we?<br /><br />You are the type of man that would complain if you got hung with a new rope. You have to be part french.
 

LubeDude

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The liberal way of doing things: Hey, Please Please Please dont do that anymore, Oh, thats why you are doing it, Well then Please dont do it as much then, It must have been my fault anyway!<br /><br />Give me a break and be a man about it!<br /><br />The conservative way: Hey you hit me in the face, Wham!, how you like that, and as a matter of fact wham! See too it you never do it again!! Wham! See to it you dont do it to anyone else either!!!<br /><br />Kerry, is that the best you can do??
 

rolmops

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Lubedude <br />I see your point about conservatives being far less introspective and more given to direct action as you so clearly described. In the case of your example I fail to understand why Bush the conservative went to the national guard and Kerry the democrat went to Vietnam and acually did some of the shooting himself (wham).This seems to show the opposite of your explanation of the difference between democrat and conservative.
 

Toad2001

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Wouldn't this be an exciting board if EVERYONE was a Bush supporter? :rolleyes: If everyone was Republican? :rolleyes: If everyone held strong Christian beliefs? :rolleyes: If everyone had a BIG gun, and hunted stinky animals who didn't see the bullet a' comin'? If everyone was sickened by gays, and deeply resented Gay Marriages? :rolleyes: If everyone would constantly **** and moan about high taxes and welfare moms. If everyone beat their chests about what a great man Bush is, and hung on his every word. Wow, what a great place iboats would be.<br /><br />I for one, am a guy who just won't fit into that fray. I'm not a Nascar Dad. I'm not any of the above, but I do enjoy debating somewhat intelligently about certain stuff from time to time. Why would I go to a Democrat site to debate exclusively amongst Democrats? BORING! No perspective there. And I get accused of being uptight...HA!
 

jinx

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Without a doubt, we'll be voting for GWB this year. Virginia will be casting its' votes for him in the Electoral College.<br /><br />Jinx
 

mattttt25

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i feel i need to make one statement:<br /><br />say what you like or dislike about bush or kerry, or any other candidate for that matter. but calling them a pos, bozo, idiot- just makes you look dumb and ignorant, and that's a fact. whether you like them or not, these two gentlemen are winners. they are more educated, more experienced in global affairs, better understand our federal and state governments, are better economists, more charismatic, better speakers, and understand the country and it's issues better than anyone here. one is the president of the united states and one is the leading candidate. you don't simply get there with a little luck. please give them the respect they deserve.
 

Bondo

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Kerry is Just Another Wishy-Washy, Bleeding Heart, Liberal...........<br />Who Only has 2 things on his Agenda,<br />Taking All of my Money......<br />And,<br />Taking All of my Guns........<br /><br />G.W. Bush Is the man this Nation Needs.........
 

Toad2001

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I hope he is not going to take away your paranoia medication too? ;)
 

snapperbait

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bush = loser.. proven liar..<br />kerry = loser.. a liar waiting to be proven as one..<br />Sad that neither side have put any other credible candidates out for us to choose from.. Nothing from the middle either except ol' ralph nader.. HA!..<br />Either way, we're doomed.. :( <br /><br />Think I'll wright in Larry Flynt.. :D <br /><br />But, there is some good news...<br /><br />I just saved a bunch of money by switching my car insurance to geico.. :p <br /><br />btw.. Good to see Miloman around again.. :)
 

Ralph 123

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better speakers, and understand the country and it's issues better than anyone here.
Hey, I take exception to that! :D <br /><br />I know Kerry. Pretty soon the country will too and wait until they do! I won't even bother giving my total POV until more data about him is generally known. I can say, Senator Kennedy is the conservative Senator from MA and Senator Kerry is the most selfish, condescending politicians I have ever met and I have met many. He is lucky to have ever even been elected here even against weak competition. If Mitt Romney had run against Kerry rather than Kennedy Kerry would be skiing.... If I didn't love my country so much I'd pray for him to be elected so we could get him the heck out of here and make him the nation's problem. :D
 

Ralph 123

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What a country we have become where we can easily call the President, any President, a liar without batting an eyelash. Sad really.
 

snapperbait

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It's our own damn fault Ralph... You, me, everyone... We allow it to be... No such thing as real accountability...
 

LubeDude

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For what it is worth....<br /><br />John the jerk....<br /><br />From: "Joseph R. Cafarella" I would like to add my two cents about my John Kerry experience. During my career as an Air Force pilot, I spent two years flying a small twin engine prop plane around the Pacific from my base in Okinawa, Japan.<br /><br />On one trip we had to fly Senator Kerry, his congressional aide, and a<br />Navy Captain (Vietnam, A-4 fighter pilot) who was also in Kerry's party to<br />various locations in Vietnam and Cambodia as part of the MIA/POW <br />talks.<br /><br />When I met him, he was wearing a shirt with a picture of his sailboat on<br />it. I told him I had a small 27 sailboat in Okinawa, he remarked "Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet."<br /><br />When we first flew him into Phnom Penh, he went to the back of the airplane and grabbed the pizza that was put aside for the crew and passed it around to his staff. He was never offered any pizza because they were supposed to have lunch with the Cambodian government once we landed. The pizza would have been our only meal that day.<br /><br />Then when we picked him up in Cambodia, he was an hour late getting to the airport. We could not start the engines and therefore the air conditioning until he arrived. Phnom Penh at that time was over 100 degrees with 95% humidity and we were basically sitting in a greenhouse behind the cockpit windows. When he finally did arrive, we were wringing out our clothes from the perspiration.<br /><br />He walks out of the air conditioned car, into the airplane and asks us<br />"Could you guys get the air conditioning running, I'm a little warm?"<br />The other pilot had to physically restrain me from going back there and<br />picking a fight.<br /><br />Then we took him into Noi Bai airfield in Hanoi. After we picked him up the<br />next day (he stayed the night in Vietnam, we stayed in Bangkok) we taxied out, ran up the engines for takeoff, and noticed that our prop rpm was vibrating all over the place. We taxied off to the side to look at it,but there was a good possibility that there was an engine malfunction and the engine may fail if we took off with it. Well, Mr. Senator sticks his head up in the cockpit and says "This plane WILL take off, I have a press conference in Bangkok in three hours!" (Maybe this is an indication of how he will run the FAA).<br /><br />We ran the engines again, and did not have the problem, so we took off and<br />made it back. During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna<br />(a small General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter<br />pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I<br />don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine alittle,<br />single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the "right stuff."<br /><br />After Kerry left the plane, the Navy Captain came up to us, apologized and<br />said basically that "he knows Kerry is a jerk" and that we should be gladwe<br />don't have to deal with him every day.
 

LubeDude

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Written by a retired Rear Admiral; identity unknown<br />John Kerry...You decide<br /><br />I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.<br /><br />Here are my problems and suspicions:<br /><br />(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.<br /><br />(2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp. All injuries so minor that no time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row.Then he used the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour. Fishy.<br /><br />(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retrieves the launcher.<br /><br />If true, he did everything wrong.<br /><br />(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.<br /><br />(b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot<br />wounded people. We had rules against that, too.<br /><br />(c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your boat was defenseless. It couldn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight.<br /><br />Something is fishy.<br /><br />Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress, finds out war heroes don't sell well in Massachusetts in 1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the Wall came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.<br /><br />I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record.<br /><br />I know in my gut it's wildly inflated and fishy.
 

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Hi Matt<br /><br />While I do respect your view, and I do agree it is in poor taste to slag the prez, BUT he's kind of fair game. Just like its fair game to make fun of fun of Michael Jackson or Jay Leno's hair.<br /><br />Bush may well be more educated than most here, but thats debatable. It also doesn't necessarily mean that he's smarter. In fact I don't think Bush was ever outside of the US until he took office (I might be wrong). He knew little about foreign policy, including certain country leader's names. He reads prepared speeches from a teleprompter, and sometimes makes up new words. Charismatic? He was booed off Letterman. Is he a good economist? I have to believe he surrounds himself with people to make those sound decisions in that area. From what I understand Bush's grades weren't too hot. Your right. It does take more than luck. In Bush's case it took lots and lots of money, and repeated bailouts from his family over the years.<br /><br />Here are a few more of his prized quotes: :) <br />-"It's your money. You paid for it."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000 <br />-"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."--Reuters, May 5, 2000<br />- "The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants."—Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001 <br />- "It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce."--Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001 :)
 
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