Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

britisher

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In the absence of an ilawnmowers forum, I thought I'd throw this question to you folks.
My 13 year old Scotts gas powered lawnmower suddenly lost compression after using it a few months ago and wouldn't restart. At 13 years old, it doesn't really owe me anything, but if I can avoid spending $300.00 on a replacement, I will.
I removed the cylinder head on the engine (tecumseh) and found that one of the valve seats (exhaust valve) had decided to uproot itself from its machined seat in the aluminum cylinder head. The valve seat I guess is steel or something similar. The inlet valve seat by comparison is fine.
My first repair attempt was to clean the head up and put the valve seat in the freezer. Next day, I placed the seat back in its machined place in the head, tapping it in with a socket of the same diameter for good measure. The theory was the frozen seat would be smaller than the machined seat and would fit in easily, warm up and snug tightly inside the machined seat. After reassembling the mower fired up first time and ran like a hero - for 3 mowings! It then did the same thing again.:mad:
For my second repair attempt I stripped it down again and this time replaced the valve seat and then using a small counterpounch 'peened' over some of the aluminum on top of the seat to hold it in place (I found that tip on the internet). Again, the mower worked fine for 3 more mowings and then did its thing again.:confused:
My mind then moved to 'glue'. I checked out Loctite Epoxy 5 minute Set adhesive, which claims many things including being heatproof to over 300 degrees F, so for a few bucks I thought I'd give it a try. So that's what I did this weekend for my 3rd attempt and it lasted just 1 mowing. So much for LocLoose, sets in 5, lasts just 5 adhesive!!:)
So here I am at a crossroads. I checked out small engine parts and I can get a new cylinder head complete with valves, etc for about $100.00 incl S&H. But I can't bring myself to spend that amount of money on this 13 year old mower. I've thought about taking it to a lawnmower repair place and have them fit a new seat. I understand they would have to machine out the existing seat space to accept a large valve seat, then presumably grind out the new seat, etc, etc. That all translates into more than $100.00 IMHO.:deadhorse:
The other alternative is I have it put down and buy a new mower.
Anyone got any 'lightbulb' suggestions on making a reasonably permanent repair on this thing?
 

dingbat

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

You've already spent far more time trying to fix it than it's worth. Go to Crag's list and find a replacement mower for $50 or so
 
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drrpm

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

Ditto on the more time spent than its worth. Those Tecumseh engines were never very good anyway so lasting 13 years was pretty lucky.
Look at CL or the Iwannna etc. or bite the bullet and buy something with a decent engine at a Columbus day sale.
 

82rude

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

you need a friend like I have who instead of fixing a minor problem gave me a mint 1997? 5 hp lawnboy selfpropelled elect start lawn mower 3 years ago now.one tap on the piston with a hardwood drift and its never missed a beat.got to love 2 strokes.
 

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

There is an oversize seat available. It needs to be machined and pressed into place.
 

britisher

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

There is an oversize seat available. It needs to be machined and pressed into place.
Yes that was one of the options I had thought of, but you have the cost of the new seat, then the cost of the machining. I reckon that would come to over $100.00 easy. It's a money square I just cannot circle.
 

Volphin

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

I really doubt it would be that much. You are probably looking at $40 and a frosty beverage. ;)
 

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

On second thought, those heads are a dime a dozen. Get one off of a junker... :)
 

britisher

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

Just wanted to give an update to this thread. I did some more research on adhesives and found that Loctite amongst their 'specialist products' do a Sleeve Retainer Adhesive # 640. I trawled around and found the best price at etrailer. I got a small tube for just over $9.00 as I didn't need a lot. The mower has done several cuts now and, so far, touchwood, the errant valve seat is staying put.
It was glue the piece OR find $300 for a new mower.
The one thing that I did find very useful was reading through the Loctite complete catalog of their products, many of which have a direct application to boaters.
 
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Fleetwin

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

You did more than any lawnmower repair shop would have done.

I think your original glue job was way under thought as far as temperature goes.

Hopefully, this one will stick! Pun intended.
 

Splat

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Re: Lawnmower Engine issue with Valve Seats

It's pretty common for those to pop out. At my old shop we would either just short block them, or if it was a customer we knew we would tig weld the seat into the block.

Never heard of the loctite stuff, I'll have to look into it as I'm a distributer of theirs. May be able to open up some new accounts with it.
 
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