Leaving the block empty

Bondo

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Re: Leaving the block empty

Ayuh,... I boat in freshwater,+ winterize Dry...
No problems with rustin,... No problem with frozen Split blocks either...
 

rwidman

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Re: Leaving the block empty

The reason I am asking this question is because last year I left the block dry and I noticed alot more crud when draining the engine, the other years I left the -50 af in but our winters get down to -45 C and I become very paranoid.

"All the shops in my area leave the RV antifreeze in the engine for the winter."


That should give you a hint. ;)

I can see draining the block and leaving it drained and I can see draining the block and filling it with antifreeze for the winter, but I can't see the point in draining the block, filling it with antifreeze, and then dumping the antifreeze right away.
 

Dshow

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Re: Leaving the block empty

Peace of mind/double protection. I've had no problem either way, but after reading alot about "Air doesn't freeze" and wanting to make sure there are no pockets of water left after I run it on antifreeze, I've been draining it.
 

Lou C

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Re: Leaving the block empty

Both Merc and Volvo list adding antifreeze to reduce corrosion in their manuals as a recommended procedure, as long as you do it the RIGHT way (drain manually first, probe drains to make sure all the water is out) then there is no problem with filling the block&manifolds with AF. I have heard of people seeing a lot of rust come out on the spring start up wtih raw water cooled engines and I never see that so the AF does help. I replaced a thermo housing back in 2003 and after 6 seasons in the salt (but with AF winterizing) it has very little rust and no flaking chunks which is what iron does in salt water eventually. Like I said if you remember your chemistry Fe 02 is iron oxide, rust. Keep the 02 away and the iron won't rust as much...air and water have 02....not so with AF...

I do flush mine at winterization but honestly how much can that do after sitting with salt water in it all season....
My mechanics are not so pro closed cooling, they say if you flush at the end of the season and fill with the good AF with corrosion inhibitors your block/heads are not likely to rust through...but having said that...if you need a valve job at some point...most mechanics are not going to try to take apart a raw water cooled (salt) engine....so there is one more benefit of closed cooling. I think I will put it in my next engine because of the other mentioned advantages, more consistent temp control, way less corrosion, more efficient combustion, etc...
 

Lou C

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Re: Leaving the block empty

Peace of mind. I've had no problem either way, but after reading alot about "Air doesn't freeze" and wanting to make sure there are no pockets of water left after I run it on antifreeze, I've been draining it.

NO NO NO you don't RUN it on antifreeze....if the thermo does not open the block could be full of water...you DRAIN it and then fill with AF....

the ONLY way that can work...is if you drain the block first, then run in the AF...but what's the point...then you have to hope the impeller pulls in the AF without overheating the engine and that you fog it before the AF runs out...not worth it...

DRAIN, poke the holes....then fill with AF....and sleep good all winter...
 
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