Let's Talk Big Twin/SpeediTwin

Bwana Don

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Yep, another good reason to go with an 18 or 20, versus the Big Twin typ 25. Now, a 1969 or later 25 would be a great choice too, because they are the 22 cube model, like the 18's and 20's and equally as reliable.

How much does a '69 and later weigh? What years 69 thru?? If I'm not mistaken they get good gas mileage and they're lighter than the older 25's. This sounds like a good fit for me. I could cover 3-5 miles on Lake St. Clair easy just fishing a bit. Very interesting.

Just found this on the old omc site:
1975 25 hp Johnson, 87 pounds! I want one.
 

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The '69 - 76 models are basically just a hopped up 20. They have a different head and exhaust system and a larger carb. They weigh about the same as the 18's and 20 and are the same engine block. Of course, this doesn't mean take an 18 and make it a 25. There are a few mechanical differences in the design to get those extra ponies. The 25 is also rated at a 5500 RPM rating, versus a 4500 rating, like the two others. I think the 1972 vintage Evinrude Sportster 25 is a pretty nice motor and would be one of my top choices for a stern drive tinnie. The old 25's are tough old motors, but they're heavier and much better with a remote control set up. Pull starting them is fine, if you have a size 19 neck and size 1 hat. The smaller 22 cube models start a lot easier by hand and are a more common choice for your set up. Not only that, getting one with a tiller handle is standard. the '57 - 58 models are the best in quality. No plastic parts and you don't have those troublesome rubber mounts that typically break on the fiberglass hooded type. Beaching the motor is also better on those old clamshell type motors too, because the fiberglass hood can sometimes come off in your hand. I have a 1958 Johnson 18 that is on my "to restore" list. It looks rough, but it's a factory electric model, with the starter and electric choke, so I can go remote or stern drive with it.

1977 and later 25's were a completely different design and quite a bit heavier than the 22 cube models. The later ones are about 33 cubes, which is almost as big as the 35.7 cube of the 1950's vintage. In my oppinion, I like the 50's vintage 25's because I like the old iron. If you're going to get the 55 Big Twin 25 though, you may as well step up a couple years and get 10 extra horses and only add a few pounds. The '57 35 was a 40.5 cube motor, but has the same cover, midsection and lower unit as the earlier 25 (with the exception of larger gears) The '56 30 was the same engine as the 25 but I think it too had the heftier gears.
 

Bwana Don

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Here's a 25;
1975 Johnson 25 hp

How hard is it to convert back to tiller?

As of now I've got $150 in my sock drawer. That 18 hp in Romulus is sweet 64osby. He originally wanted $350 for it. Been eying it.
 

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If you can find the tiller all you do is bolt it on. The hard part is finding it.
 

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BD - Pretty sure I have a tiller in the garage. Have to check if a 61 18hp fits a 75 25hp.

The gear / shaft parts match but the handle shows a different part number. Send a PM if you are interested.
 

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It's pretty likely they'll fit. Those were pretty good choice of motors. What I would do, if I were you, is post a want ad at the AOMCI website, on their Webvertize and someone there will probably sell you an 18 for a lot cheaper. If you're not in a big hurry, you can likely find one for under $100. I've got about 30 motors in my collection and I don't think I paid over $100 for any of them.
 

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That's a great idea Zeph. Do they let non-members post adds?

Let's say I see a CraigsList add for a motor I want. Let's say the guy wants $300 asking price. Would an initial offer of 50% of the asking price be an insult. I want to barter but not cheese someone off.
 

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That's a great idea Zeph. Do they let non-members post adds?

Let's say I see a CraigsList add for a motor I want. Let's say the guy wants $300 asking price. Would an initial offer of 50% of the asking price be an insult. I want to barter but not cheese someone off.

go and look at it first, take a compression tester spark tester, and check the gear oil. look it over well, and basically pick out every flaw you can find.....then make an offer. a "$300" asking price may not be a bad deal, but if you find issues , and point them out, you may get 50% off. i personally like to just shoot the breeze about the motor before ever touching it....you can sometimes find out alot. then move on to what it could cost to refurb it. most reasonable sellers will see that you did your homework and will drop the price on a motor that needs work of any kind. jmo
 

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There is a webvertize section that non members can post motors in. There is also a members webvertize though.

I would say that it really depends on the initial asking price. If someone is asking an absurb amount of money for a motor, then making a bid of 50% of the asking price may be high. However, I hate it when I advertise a motor for below the going rate, and I get a bunch of emails asking me if Ill take 30 bucks. I really dont even reply to bids via email, as I find alot of them are just "shoppers". The interested few will actually call you or come over.

There are many guys in my local chapter that sell motors for extemely good prices. I would not dare haggle with them. I pay what they ask.
 

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Yea, you're best bet is to get a motor for under $100 then doing the complete tune up, yourself. That way, you know what you have and it's a good learning experience. It might be a good benefit to join up with the AOMCI, because that will open up a whole new venue for parts and decently priced motors. Guys bring motors to meets, to get them sold and often times, they are priced too good to pass up.
 

Bwana Don

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Tons of great info from this thread. A big thanks to all. I'm officially looking for an 18hp Johnson at this point. I got a really good education here.
 
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