Listing badly underway

KRS

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Took boat out to the lake (just had outdrive rebuilt by mechanic), and with me (290 lbs) piloting and my buddy (260 lbs) in the left seat, my boat was leaning a full 30 degrees to the left! He even moved to my side and it remained 25 degrees or so leaning the other way. I don't know a whole lot about boats.... but something told me this just wasn't right :eek: <br /><br />The leg unit has a "dol-phin" or whale tale type device on it. It appears :( to be fine and aligned properly.<br /><br />Any thoughts? Thank you for any help and if you see me and my boat on the water, come around to the left side and wave (won't see you on the right :D )
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Hey, my post needs more info!!!<br /><br />This occurs while underway at above 25 mph or so, it will just *woop* lean to the left as speed increases and stay there, even in a right hand turn it will be leaning left.<br /><br />Thanks.
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Was the doel fin fitted at the same time as the rebuild? IMO Throw it in the bin - or demand your money back. On some boats they work great, on others they will cause what you are describing.<br /><br />Aldo
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Originally posted by Dunaruna:<br /> Was the doel fin fitted at the same time as the rebuild? IMO Throw it in the bin - or demand your money back. On some boats they work great, on others they will cause what you are describing.<br /><br />Aldo
Aldo, you forgot to mention, "Throw it in the bin" and get a set of ......... ......'s :D
 

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AZ, just took a peek at your pics, noticed you got a hinged ladder on the port side - wasn't locked down was it?<br /><br />Oh yeah and Smart Tabs are far better than doel fins (o/k, i said it :p ).<br /><br />Aldo
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Coupla questions ...<br /><br />Is this the first time out in this boat?<br />If not, was it performing normally before the rebuild? Or has this list occured only since the rebuild? And how big and where is this 'nasty little chip' on the hull that you mention with your pics?<br /><br />From what you say, the boat has no list while stationary in the water. Double-check this. If so, that more or less rules out an inbalance problem. That leaves us with something influencing the trim while under way. Pull the ladder up, as Dunaruna says. If there is no hull damage - in other words, if the nasty little chip is just that - and the I/O unit has been fitted and moves correctly, the doel-fin is the first suspect. Remove it, and see what happens. (Here, these things sometimes warp with the heat, and a little warp goes a VERRRY long way!)<br /><br />Ciao
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Not the first time out, the fin was on the boat when I purchased it (not added in rebuild), performed normally before rebuild, nasty little chip in on the centerline, just at the end of the deadrise, approx 2" long and 1/2" wide.<br /><br />As for the smart tabs... I KNOW! :) But they are outta my price range.<br /><br />I live in ambient temperatures of 100 F degrees during the summer (desert here) and a warped fin could be suspect, I will remove it and see. As for the ladder.... uh, I never thought to look (woops). I wouldn't think that it would still be attached if it was dragging like that but I dunno!<br /><br />I will be fixing the chip this weekend, heading to the lake in 2 weeks and will post a follow up for everyone. So, is there a bet going on who is right????
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

azf<br />That boat looks just like my 1982 Citation but it only has a 120 Mercruiser i/o on it even has the same ski locker your's have. nice boat
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Weeeell ...<br /><br />The chip is obviously nothing.<br />The ladder - if you left it down last time out - is a leading runner.<br />The doel-fin is also a strong contender.<br /><br />Of these two, I'd go for the ladder, but ... there's a niggle in my head which says there may be something else we haven't found yet. The rebuild seems to be the only fundamental that's changed.<br /><br />Be interested to find out.<br /><br />Ciao
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Could you have gotten water in the hull that may be shifting to one side at speed? I had a boat with a crack in the bottom that wasnt repaired properly and it would take on water and saturate the old floatation foam. After a couple of hours boat would barely plane, but couldnt drain the water because it was in sealed compartments. It would dry out over time and be ok until it got wet again. Fiberglass without gelcoat will leak! Found out the hard way. When you are going fast only a small part of your hull is in the water which will magnify the lean.
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Originally posted by dk990496:<br /> azf<br />That boat looks just like my 1982 Citation but it only has a 120 Mercruiser i/o on it even has the same ski locker your's have. nice boat
dk990496 <br />I have a 1984 Citation, sure would like to share some information between us.
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Mine has the 120 mercruiser, what does your have?
 

rwidman

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As for the smart tabs... I KNOW! But they are outta my price range.
They're like $150.00 or so. BOAT = Break Out Another Thousand! ;) <br /><br />BTW: Smart tabs will not help with a side to side list, you need manually adjustable tabs such as Bennetts for this. They will however do what you installed the fin for and do a much better job. I would remove the fin and retest. Then if this gets rid of the list, install the Smart Tabs.
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: Listing badly underway

When a salesman hears a funny noise in his car, he turns up the volume! That's like masking your portside list by fitting Bennetts to hide it. <br /><br />Your boat ran true before your rebuild, and now it doesn't, so something's wrong. Don't even think of fitting tabs till you've sorted out the problem.<br /><br />Keep posting.
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

Thinking about the outdrive re-build. There really isn't much they could have screwed up to make the boat behave like this. This is a single engine, right? Does the skeg look straight ? Any peices chipped off of the drive ? The transom housing wasn't removed, was it?
 

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Transom housing not moved. Mount was rotten, new mounts, bonded to hull, adjusting device at end of engine was rusted = new one of those... (you get the idea). I will be removing the dol-phin and making sure the ladder is up :D and give it another try. I have not stood behind the leg and visually checked it... I will do that today. Anyone want a boat for $3,500?? :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

I agree with stillfishing - Since the boat ran true before the rebuiild then I would stay on that track. Here are a few suggestions:<br />1) keep in mind that the prop rotates clockwise so the boat will want to lean counter-clockwise (left or to the port), and this is why the helms are most often on the right side. If the listing is due to prop torque, thenit would be to the left. <br />2) Since the list did not occure before the rebuild, my first "look see" would be the steering tab on the bottom of the cavitation plate. Even though it is to counter act the torque steer ( not listing). When this is not correctly adjusted, it could cause a listing especially when a hydrofoil is used. The hydrofoil will increase the lift progressively as the speed of the boat increases. This will cause a bow down effect and the steering tab could cause it to list even more to port. <br />3) I am assuming that you are triming the motor up once you are on plane - ????<br />4) If the tilt trim is not working or the motor does not have trim, where is the trim adjustment rod. If it is as close to the transom as possible, this is likely to be too much once on plane. It too will drive the bow down.<br /><br />5) If the hydrofoil is running below water it will influence the bow to stern attitude too much. It will lift the stern and drive the bow down. When in this position, the torque list from the prop will be pronounced and you will experience a severe listing.<br /><br />As for Smart Tabs being able to correct this type of list - Yes they will correct a fixed or permanent type list. You simply increase the lift pressure on the port side and reduce it on the starboard side. However, unless you have exhausted all of the other issues, and can not find the cause I would not use trim tabs to fixe a problem.<br /><br />Please understand that trim tabs are not a "fix it" item - even when they do fix a problem. Trim tabs provide an extension of the hull, which can be adjusted (in effect changing the hull design) to extend the hull efficiency. This effects the entire range of opperation and including fuel economy. Rigid devices such as hydrofoils will improve one aspect of the boat performance but generally deminish other aspects, simply because they can not be adjsuted to suit the next condition. If They run below water level when the boat is on plane they can and often do become a rudder. <br /><br />Hope this helps!<br /><br />John at Nauticus, Inc.
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

I leave my 1/2 dive platform ladder down by accident all the time. It throws up spray and probably slows the boat down somewhat, but I certainly never noticed it created a listing problem. At least not like described here!
 

Snookster

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Re: Listing badly underway

Had a simular prolem w/ a Wellcraft 18' It turned out to be a hair line crack along the chine line -- so fine you could'nt even see it. When the boat was underway, it opened like an envelope. It took major hull repairs & removal of rotten wood.<br /><br />Good luck.
 

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Re: Listing badly underway

It was fine before it was worked on and now it lists, therefore the problem has something to do with the work that was done or an accident that happened while the boat was with the mechanic. Start there and work backwards. Talk to the mechanic about it.
 
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