Looking to paint my boat inside and out

[305AP1]

hey guys how is it goin? im a little new to fiber glass and boats but im very mechanically inclined. i have a few questions about painting my 17' bow rider.

first what can i use to patch some small holes? Any where from the size of a quarter to the size of a screw head, from where things used to be mounted such as antennas or navigation light sockets and or cleats.

second is what kind of paint do i use for the inside and out side of my hull. ill be using a air compressor and spray gun to lay the paint but i rather roll on the floor paint. some advice would be much appreciated since im new to this.

thank you,

Christopher

 

[Bondo]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

Ayuh,.... Welcome Aboard,.... I'll move this down to the Dry-Dock for ya,...

Lotsa knowledge down there....

I like Rustoleum for inexpensive paint jobs....

I use Martin Seynor automotive paints for Hi-end jobs...

 

[305AP1]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

Ayuh,.... Welcome Aboard,.... I'll move this down to the Dry-Dock for ya,...

Lotsa knowledge down there....

I like Rustoleum for inexpensive paint jobs....

I use Martin Seynor automotive paints for Hi-end jobs...

yea im not looking to spend a lot of money just something that will last me a few years until i sell the boat. i picked it up for cheap with a solid floor and transom it just needs a little tlc and a tune up so im not looking to go crazy on it just a nice backyard paint job

 

[johnnyClack]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

I have used this stuff on small glass repairs, there are other product avaible as well


http://semproducts.com/product-cata...-mix/fillers/problem-plastic-repair-material/

 

[GT1000000]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

Check out the signature portion of "woodonglass" Blue Flamingo thread...

That should help you out..."Paint your boat for under a 100 bucks..."

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

Yep, I recommend Valspars Tractor Paint with the added Hardener. The link below will give you the details. As for patching small holes, I'd recommend some of this...
http://www.bottompaintstore.com/3m-...7.html?zenid=555d66909d2fbe2d1ddbd9eff2a0ed1f

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

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[Yacht Dr.]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

first what can i use to patch some small holes? Any where from the size of a quarter to the size of a screw head, from where things used to be mounted such as antennas or navigation light sockets and or cleats.

Um..you need Glass m8...not so much on them little screw holes .. but your cleats .. yea glassem'

I have used this stuff on small glass repairs, there are other product avaible as well


http://semproducts.com/product-cata...-mix/fillers/problem-plastic-repair-material/

Not a good idea...

3m glass filler, I think the stuff is crap myself after using it .. there are much better 'tiger hair' fillers out there that you can get from your local auto body store that is Much stronger. .. but just me ..

YD.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

I think the stuff is crap myself after using it .. there are much better 'tiger hair' fillers out there that you can get from your local auto body store that is Much stronger. .. but just me ..

YD.

If you like em so much you should probably list em so everyone can benefit from your knowledge. I've use the 3M and it wasn't Crap for me. Seemed to work very well and for holes no bigger than a quarter I think it will be just fine.

 

[johnnyClack]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

"YD" I value what ya' have to say. So I am asking when you say SEM Weld is not a good idea, can you provide some reasons please.

I have used SEM weld for years in the maint of a public transit fleet, the same as one might use JB weld expect that this product flexes. It is made to be used for poly bumper repairs.

You say body shop fillers, makes me feel you are familiar with SEM weld. I would like to know the negatives.

Thanks, STURDAVJ

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

"YD" I value what ya' have to say. So I am asking when you say SEM Weld is not a good idea, can you provide some reasons please.

I have used SEM weld for years in the maint of a public transit fleet, the same as one might use JB weld expect that this product flexes. It is made to be used for poly bumper repairs.

You say body shop fillers, makes me feel you are familiar with SEM weld. I would like to know the negatives.

Thanks, STURDAVJ

Dont get me wrong.. the 'plastic weld' .. 'JB' weld .. 2 part epoxy mixes .. etc. can be used for some repairs ( not all ).

But Why would you want to us them ? For quickness ? Ease of repair ( might as well use bondo type fillers ).

That SEM weld is for Plastic ( like bumpers ) not the same as boats. I guess you could use it if you have it handy..but I would not go out of my way to buy it for a few small holes when you can get some 3 min epoxy in a double syringe plunger for a few bucks.

If you like em so much you should probably list em so everyone can benefit from your knowledge. I've use the 3M and it wasn't Crap for me. Seemed to work very well and for holes no bigger than a quarter I think it will be just fine.

I would never use filler out of a can to fix a hole the size of a quarter ( much less a nickle or even a penny depending on where it was located ).

The filler will pop eventually. Not good after you have gone through the stages of filling,fairing,prep,prime and paint just to find a year or two have the repair fail.

As far as the 3m filler itself...I have found that the fiberglass vinylester filler never really cures correctly. It leaves a lot of pinhole perosity after sanding.

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For a boat owner .. the basic Material you will need for repairs is Poly resin. After that you can add fillers or glass to it. Anything out of a can is Overpriced and most times not correct for the repair that you are trying to fix.

If you are finishing with gelcoat .. then the Materials are going to be Poly resin,cabosil,gelcoat and sometimes CSM.

Thats it .. thats all you need ( aside from the obvious acetone,rags,mekp etc ..)

If you want to go shopping around for tubes of this or cans of that .. go for it. You dont Need them. Personally I think its a waste of $.

Resin,Gel,Cabosil,CSM .. Key to most repairs for a DIY'er.

YD.

 

[BillP]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

The 3M noted is structural and good stuff. It's poly based with glass fibers and other fillers to make it easy to use. Spreads smooth with a buttery consistancy. Put it in a hole and apply a piece of mylar sheet (or any plastic) over the patch until dry. It will leave a perfectly matched surface as smooth as the mylar. Very little finishing needed except for paint. It's perfect for large screw holes and deep gouges...but is massively expensive for what you get. You can step up strengtrh and adhesion by using an epoxy based filler but who really needs that to fill screw holes? For cheap and effective repairs you can use a whole bunch of different fillers with poly or epoxy resin...talcum powder, flower, cabosil, glass balls, sawdust and mix with "cut your own glass fibers" from cloth. You are talking scew hole patching on a budget here and it will last AOK with the home brew fillers.

The method I use most often for screw holes is pour epoxy resin in the hole. If its all the way though stuff some cotton deep to stop the resin from draining...or put masking tape on the other side of the hole if you can get there. There is nothing gained by making screw hole filling a big deal.

bp

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

You are talking scew hole patching on a budget here and it will last AOK with the home brew fillers.

There is nothing gained by making screw hole filling a big deal.

bp

I would not have even posted in this thread if it was as simple as 'patching screw holes'.

The thing about larger holes is what Im trying to help on here ( that most do not seem to address ) .. you can use your plastic filler .. or whatever on them little things ..

first what can i use to patch some small holes? Any where from the size of a quarter to the size of a screw head, from where things used to be mounted such as antennas or navigation light sockets and or cleats.

Quarter size holes and Cleats kinda got me thinking not to repair those things with 'Fillers'.

I could be wrong here .. but Im thinking that the OP is going to need some resin and some CSM. Why would you buy a can of XYZ when you have a PT/QT of resin.

Simple little model airplane repairs .. Glass/sand/skim/prime Done. .. Am I wrong here guys ? .. all those other Little fixes you fill with skim coats or the resin when it starts to gel off..

YD.

 

[BillP]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

I would not have even posted in this thread if it was as simple as 'patching screw holes'.

The thing about larger holes is what Im trying to help on here ( that most do not seem to address ) .. you can use your plastic filler .. or whatever on them little things ..



Quarter size holes and Cleats kinda got me thinking not to repair those things with 'Fillers'.

I could be wrong here .. but Im thinking that the OP is going to need some resin and some CSM. Why would you buy a can of XYZ when you have a PT/QT of resin.

Simple little model airplane repairs .. Glass/sand/skim/prime Done. .. Am I wrong here guys ? .. all those other Little fixes you fill with skim coats or the resin when it starts to gel off..

YD.

Since you quoted me into that reply...Let me get back on the turnip truck before responding (grin)...ok, I'm on. I don't use "plasticfiller" on my models or my boats. Normally make my own, with filler and resin type based on the application. The 3M filler first noted IS structural and has NO problems filling 1/4" deep quarter size holes. My personal experience (and others) with the product is totally different than yours...and it makes me wonder if you applied it too fast and thick or confused it with their standard non structural filler. But either will crack if not applied in moderation. Anyway, yes, for large diameter holes I normally use glass and resin (poly or epoxy) whether structural or not. I can't justify $35 for a can of the 3m stuff unless it's a fast and dirty repair far away from my shop and supplies...and then it's likely going to be marine tex.

bp

 

[johnnyClack]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

Dont get me wrong.. the 'plastic weld' .. 'JB' weld .. 2 part epoxy mixes .. etc. can be used for some repairs ( not all ).

But Why would you want to us them ? For quickness ? Ease of repair ( might as well use bondo type fillers ).

That SEM weld is for Plastic ( like bumpers ) not the same as boats. I guess you could use it if you have it handy..but I would not go out of my way to buy it for a few small holes when you can get some 3 min epoxy in a double syringe plunger for a few bucks.

Thanks YD. What you say makes perfect sence. I must confess I have some (two packs..) in my tool box. I would not make a trip to pick it up.

 

[BillP]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

Dont get me wrong.. the 'plastic weld' .. 'JB' weld .. 2 part epoxy mixes .. etc. can be used for some repairs ( not all ).

But Why would you want to us them ? For quickness ? Ease of repair ( might as well use bondo type fillers ).

That SEM weld is for Plastic ( like bumpers ) not the same as boats. I guess you could use it if you have it handy..but I would not go out of my way to buy it for a few small holes when you can get some 3 min epoxy in a double syringe plunger for a few bucks.

Thanks YD. What you say makes perfect sence. I must confess I have some (two packs..) in my tool box. I would not make a trip to pick it up.

Use them for convenience and when your pockets are deep enough to pay the toll. This is how people get confused. JB Weld and two part epoxy should not be grouped into the same family as bondo or plastic weld. What you have here is two very good products that can do the repair with 100% success and others that are prone to failure. Of course I've also read that Marine Tex isn't structural (and in reality it is highly structural) so readers always have to be aware of mis-information when searching for product info.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: Looking to paint my boat inside and out

Use them for convenience and when your pockets are deep enough to pay the toll. This is how people get confused. JB Weld and two part epoxy should not be grouped into the same family as bondo or plastic weld. What you have here is two very good products that can do the repair with 100% success and others that are prone to failure. Of course I've also read that Marine Tex isn't structural (and in reality it is highly structural) so readers always have to be aware of mis-information when searching for product info.

Who are you trying to quote Bill ? Me or Johnny ?

There were two post in your Quote post ..

What repairs are you talking about ?

I think I will start a thread on 'fillers' ..

YD.