Man vs. Boat (season 1).

[GT1000000]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Hmmmmm...interesting development...very curious to see what the sperts say...

My non marine engineer side of me thinks, if it is roughly equal on both sides, it might be good for cutting the waves at a slower rate of speed, but while up on plane, it may not make that much of difference, since most boats only ride on the back 2/3 to 1/3 of the hull...from what I have seen...and remember, I know natzing...just throwing out a guess...

If it turns out to be a serious problem, you might have to use a sawzall or oscillating cut off tool, and release the bond between the stringer/bulkhead/hull in that area and see if it springs back into the original shape, at which point you could maybe scab some pieces of ply to the offending members and reapply the PB and tabbing...again, just playing devil's advocate and tossing out some thoughts...

Hope its nothing and you can continue progress, instead of regress...:redface:

Glad to see its near the homefront and maybe the homestretch...much better for continued progress and a great peacekeeper for the Familial units having you right there...

 

[sphelps]

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Not sure what that would hurt . I guess the worst that could happen is ya just cruise around in circles at low speed ..

 

[jbcurt00]

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I will try to video it so you guys can get a better look. It is not as pronounced on the starboard side. My concern is that my front cradle was creating a bit of a pinch point and that when I bedded and tabbed my stringers/bulkheads it sort of "stuck that way." My concern is that IF i have forced my hull out of its "molded" shape, then it may delam/separate one day?

I think he's concerned that over the course of a few seasons, cutting thru wakes & waves, that the hull will flex enough for this area to 'pop' free of the pinched look current condition (PB'd, tabbed & glassed to the stringer/bulkhead & attempt to flex back into it's originally molded shape. Thus no longer connected to the stringer/bulkhead structure.

Based on the transom glassing, I suspect that your stringer is WELL stuck w/ the PB & tabbing. Glassing the stringer in, and possibly going long in these areas to cover the divot, I'd expect them to be pinched for a fairly long time. Forever? I don't know Until you tire of it & move into a bigger boat, probably.

Having said that, If you could sawzall the stringer & PB free from the hull a 12-16" (maybe less/more, 'enough' to free the pinch) either side of the pinch, carve out the existing PB & be absolutely positive the hull is corrected (may require shims under the stringer), refill w/ new PB, prep the surrounding stringer & hull glass/tabbing and lay up new glass to the corrected hull shape

 

[jasoutside]

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Sawzall?

 

[Pmccraney]

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I think he's concerned that over the course of a few seasons, cutting thru wakes & waves, that the hull will flex enough for this area to 'pop' free of the pinched look current condition (PB'd, tabbed & glassed to the stringer/bulkhead & attempt to flex back into it's originally molded shape. Thus no longer connected to the stringer/bulkhead structure.

Based on the transom glassing, I suspect that your stringer is WELL stuck w/ the PB & tabbing. Glassing the stringer in, and possibly going long in these areas to cover the divot, I'd expect them to be pinched for a fairly long time. Forever? I don't know Until you tire of it & move into a bigger boat, probably.

Having said that, If you could sawzall the stringer & PB free from the hull a 12-16" (maybe less/more, 'enough' to free the pinch) either side of the pinch, carve out the existing PB & be absolutely positive the hull is corrected (may require shims under the stringer), refill w/ new PB, prep the surrounding stringer & hull glass/tabbing and lay up new glass to the corrected hull shape

Thanks Gus, SP and JBC! JBC, you have stated my concern above ^^^ better than I did originally... And I was also leaning towards "freeing it" from its current, divoted shape in the manner you and Gus are suggesting.

I did talk to Oops (I dialed the topic secret panic hotline), and he suggested some measurements and, of course, wants to see some up close pics when he gets back from the holiday. However, he did say that a dimple that looks like a "smile" can be tolerated and even a good thing, but a dimple that looks like a "frown" = bad. Unfortunately, if you look at the pic above, mine is a tight-lipped frown... (which happens to match the one on my face right now).....

Anybody got an outboard tinny for sale? My glasser allegience is wearing thin... Have this weird craving for Kool Aid all the sudden.... (I hear a voice like the old lady in Poltergeist saying "Patrick, run to the light....").

 

[jbcurt00]

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Sawzall?

Wow, really, a gut shot & a kick in the beans combo. When he's already on the ground.... Tinny's got an attitude. I thought a vacation would increase the mellow quotient.


Hang tough.

For now, you can 'remotely' 'have' my still as of now, shrouded in mystery tinny. Do with it what you will. Just make sure it's back by Thanksgiving.

 

[sphelps]

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Ya know a tinny might not be so bad .. If the hull somehow gets deformed just give it a good stomp and it'll pop back into shape.. Just change out of the wife's slippers first..

 

[Skagen]

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Sawzall?

Dump will take them whole. Ask me how I know.

 

[jbcurt00]

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SP: Et Tu glassers?

And out of nowhere, Skagen lands a roundhouse

Patrick, did you accidentally kill a kitten or run over a bunny today?

It's a monday, I think the mob has detected a gap in the armor & have opted to pile on & force some Kool Aide into RPM

There are few tinny's that are as regal as this Lancer will be again 1 day, albeit with a much better motor & undercarriage

 

[Trooper82]

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Look at it like this Patrick....be an optimist....you don't have the deck down yet!

Whats a few minutes with an oscillating tool to break it free...then a few more minutes retabbing....I think you have the direction you need to go.....

drink water....not koolaid

 

[archbuilder]

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Patrick, I had similar concerns when I built my cradle....maybe that is why it too me 2 days to get it built! I didn't have any issues like yours, but it sounds like the fix is easy to me.....Trooper is right, cut it free, let it find its natural shape and glass her back up. Glad you have her home...you will find yourself sneaking out there for a hour or two on weekday evenings (depending on how hot it is.....106 here today....) Hang in there! If you drink the cool aide....you will find yourself starting each post with "I only had to get ____ number of stitches at the emergency room this weekend".....

 

[Pmccraney]

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Thanks guys... appreciate everyone taking a look. For those that are interested, here is a better look at the issue:

As much as I don't want to regress (or do a bunch of grinding in my driveway), I think it needs to be addressed...

One thing I did think of is that I have not cut any drainage holes or channels in my stringers (and I may could "free" the hull and create a little drainage slit at the same time...) Also, I could always let foam run under the stringers in this spot, as a lot of boats (including mine originally) had foam underneath the stringers in places as a bedding material... In fact, there was foam under my stringers in this very spot on the tear down (maybe for a reason??). Just thinking out loud...

 

[bear_69cuda]

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Brutha,

Glad you brought her home... You'll like having the project outside your door... I feel you in regards to a Tinny... Seems easier... I agree cutting the bond loose, see if the hull takes the natural shape again. Somehow when I went to test fit my CMC trim tilt, my transom now is bowed, so the CMC isn't flush... Talk about a kick in the nutz..... I feel the pain brutha...

 

[Georgesalmon]

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Foam or even cardboard is often used under stringers and bulkheads to keep them from "printing" through to the outside of the hull when the glass shrinks during curing. I doubt that small dent would affect performance that far forward but it doesn't look good. I would do as others said and cut the stringer free and retab. Don't think it will find its own shape again, to much glass in the tabbing you would have to remove. Just cut it free and use small wedges to regain the original shape. No ruler here, wedge it out and use your eyes to make port and starboard sides look the same. When they match, tab it in again and it will be wonderful.

 

[jbcurt00]

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No ruler here, wedge it out and use your eyes to make port and starboard sides look the same. When they match, tab it in again and it will be wonderful.

Be sure to pull the wedges before final glassing

 

[Decker83]

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One thing I can say for sure is yours isn't as radical as mine. YD seams to agree with me that mine came that way from the factory.
I would agree with the rest of the gentlemen here, you need to cut it lose and reglass. I don't think I would let the foam go under the stringer. If water ever gets to that spot you will have a major problem. Cut it, shim it, whaterver it takes to get it back in shape and then glass it back in. If you use shims, don't let them create a hard spot on the hull. If you put alot of pressure on the hull to push it back in place watch for other changes in the hull. Pushing down will bring in the sides of the hull.
It really looks like you can just cut it lose and it will return back to its shape as long as you cut enough of the stringer.

 

[Hydra-sport_Road-kill]

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Glad to hear you're working from home now Patrick. I'm thinking you'll enjoy the work more w/o the travel time and being tagged as an absent hubby.

 

[wolf81tx]

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Your doing an awesome job. Boat is coming along fine. Now onto your latest problem. I am no expert at stringers and glassing. But I am a pretty good jack of all trades. The ideas I have read look like pretty sound advice. It may not go as it may be planned but YOU have shown YOU can do it. If your feelin down about that here's what you need to do. Grab a beer (or whatever drink helps you relax), Sit down at your computer and look up your own thread here at iboats. Look at what you have accomplished. You went from almost no mechanical experience to taking aboat all the down to the bare hull. So small feat my friend. Did you stop there? No. You didn't. I think you will find your way with this problem.

 

[Trooper82]

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^^^^^^Good advice^^^^^^!!!!

Taking time to reflect......

You OWN this one...next problem!

 

[jbcurt00]

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Carp, now I feel compelled:

“The true measure of a man is not how he handles comfort and convenience but how he stands in challenging times.”

- MLK, Jr (may not be wholly accurate quote)

I can't imagine another choice that requires the commitment of effort & time that resto of a glasser does. Perhaps it's not how you saw this journey at it's outset, but maybe it is given your initial post, either way I'm confident that you'll agree it has been an interesting journey.....

Sometimes it isn't the destination that yields the biggest reward. It can be the road traveled, what you find along that road (go-kart, mad skills w/ a grinder ), and the people you meet whilst on the road (you know, like me , <<--there may be others :facepalm.

Besides, if not for this trip, when would you have ever had the 'opportunity' to take a sawzall to a junk hull. A STARCRAFT* no less. And then get to take the kid(s) on an Admiral sanctioned trip to the dump

And calling it Man Vs Boat (season 1) does imply there shall be a 2nd......


* be sure to check under your car(s) & seats regularly. The early rising, coffee swilling, Michigan madman boat builder will remember this event, and may harbor ill will towards ChrisCraft glassers enough to pickup a CC donor, just 'cause