Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

[jigngrub]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Lookin' good Mark!

Looks like that cup and tube would be a good thing to have, and I think I'll order a couple the next time I lift my decking.

If you have an old window fan you could put in your boat tomorrow it'll help dry that foam out faster.

More foam won't hurt a thing and you can never have too much floatation foam.

I trust you're going to seal both faces of your decking? I don't usually advocate this, but when your decking is in direct contact with your foam like on your boat it would be a good thing to do.

Keep those progress pics coming, you know how we love the boat porn!

 

[SierraMark]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Yes I plan on putting the epoxy on both faces and all sides of my decking.

On Wednesday I ordered my Nautolex. I got an email confirmation Wednesday night that the gallon of the 88 adhesive has shipped but no vinyl. I emailed Defender customer service Thursday morning and they immediately replied that the length I ordered was backordered but it had already come in and could be shipping soon. Thursday night the UPS guy (who I am on a first name basis with ) dropped off the 88 adhesive. So far I have to say I'm impressed with Defender.

I am heading to Home Depot today to get my Arauco and I'll pick up a sheet of that foam. I am thinking one sheet but I can buy more if I need it. My epoxy is scheduled for delivery today. Should be making some progress.

Have a good day guys.

Mark

 

[jigngrub]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Apply that epoxy outside in the warm air or use a heater inside for faster set/cure/recoat times and to avoid the amine blush, epoxy loves the heat.

This is from the USComposites site:

Low air temperature increases dry time. Temperature plays the biggest factor in the speed of drying. Even when you are using our fastest hardener low temperature always increases dry time. If the resin can be kept between 75 and 80 degrees, i.e. indoors, before mixing, a lower working temperature is not a problem. But again patience is required.

 

[Sarge77]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

What do you plan on using to fasten down your new floor? Self tapping screws?

 

[SierraMark]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Apply that epoxy outside in the warm air or use a heater inside for faster set/cure/recoat times and to avoid the amine blush, epoxy loves the heat.

This is from the USComposites site:

Thanks Jigngrub. The weather is still nice here so I should be able to do it out in the sun.

-Mark

 

[SierraMark]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

What do you plan on using to fasten down your new floor? Self tapping screws?

Probably rivets...I will be asking those questions shortly

-Mark

 

[SierraMark]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Okay, I just got back from Home Depot. As I said previously their website said they had Arauco for 30.97 a sheet at a store that is about 20 miles away. I called yesterday to verify they were in stock, "yup, we have 50 sheets".

Of course I get there and can't find it I ask a guy who works there and he looks it up, yup this says we have 50 in stock but its not on display. They check out back and can't find it. At one point there were like 10 HD employees trying to figure it out. I get the question...what'r you using it for. I explain a boat deck..."we don't sell marine grade plywood" :facepalm:

So they look at the Arauco description and it is listed as "cabinet grade" so the manager says he will sell me poplar cabinet grade plywood (he says its made with waterproof glue but I have no proof of that) that they had on sale for 36.98 a sheet for the same price as the arauco.

So I now have 5 sheets of 3/4 poplar plywood.....please tell me this is okay to use or and I going to have to haul it back to Home Depot?

The wood looks good. No void or knots and I will be applying the epoxy to all surfaces.

What do you guys think?

-Mark

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Sorry man, but I would not use poplar ply in a boat. There are better options.

If they can't find the Arauco you can find a place that does carry it (Menards in my area). Or exterior grade ply, MDO, or marine grade from a local vendor.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

I wouldn't use the poplar grade unless I knew for a fact it had waterproof glue. You should be able to go to the HD site for the store near you and look up the specs on that particular board, it'll tell you in the specs what kind of glue it's made with.

Check with some of your local lumber yards to see if they have the MDO plywood, it's even better than the Aruco.

For fastening the decking down to the boat structure I highly recommend rivets. The problem with self tapping screws is that they can and will twist the vinyl as the head drives flush with the plywood making a sort of "swirl" in the vinyl that isn't attractive. The rivets don't spin and pull straight down with a nice clean installation.

Edited to say:

Hey Mark, I looked up your local HD store and found this stuff.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25e...ord=3/4"+plywood&storeId=10051#specifications

It's the same stuff as MDO and will last a very long time.

Call and see if they have it in stock.

 

[SierraMark]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

okay guys poplar goes back and I'll look for MDO.

So much for progress

-Mark

 

[jigngrub]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Read my edited post above.

 

[SierraMark]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Read my edited post above.

None in stock within 50 miles of my house.

I'm going to call a local place and see if they have MDO.

This local place I called the other day said the have exterior grade, I think they said AC or something like that for 39.00.

-Mark

 

[SierraMark]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Ok, I just called the local place. They do not have the MDO in stock but their store about 15 miles away has it for 50.00 a sheet.

I explained the the guy what I am doing and he said I could use underlayment 3/4. He said it has no voids and he gave me a code of UL34FIR. That stuff is 40.00 a sheet and he has a bunch in stock.

Does this make sense to anybody? Does it sound like I could use that or should I just drive the extra distance and pay the extra money for the MDO?

-Mark

 

[jigngrub]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Underlayment will be fine if it has the waterproof glue, that's the thing you have to be the most careful about.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

I can't speak to "underlayment" but I do know the more tried and true stuff around the iboats drydock include Marine Grade/MDO/Arauco/Exterior, eh.

 

[emoney]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

Personally, I would've used the Poplar if it's made with water-proof glue just so I didn't have to lug it back, lol. Arauco is actually made with Pine, so comparing the Pine vs. Poplar, the latter is always a stronger, more water-resistant type wood. The glue, of course, makes the difference. If the guy at Home Depot "says" it's glued with waterproof glue, then ask him where he gets that information. If he's not just making that up, then he's got something in front of him he's reading and usually it's a manufacturer notice, or link to their website or similar.

If, in fact, that "underlayment" is Lauan (usually spelled Luan) Plywood, then it's, in my opinion, better than "marine grade" and definitely better than Arauco. It's also called "Phillipine Mahogany" and of the 3, would be a LOT more water resistant than the other two. $40.00 a sheet, compared to $35.00 for Poplar is a no brainer: spend the extra $5.00 and have a deck that lasts you longer than you own the boat I'm sure.

 

[emoney]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

I've made sailboat Rudders & Tillers out of Mahogany and while it's not "Teak", it's the poor man's option (like me) for wood that's got to be in or near the water.

 

[jigngrub]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

If, in fact, that "underlayment" is Lauan (usually spelled Luan) Plywood, then it's, in my opinion, better than "marine grade" and definitely better than Arauco. It's also called "Phillipine Mahogany" and of the 3, would be a LOT more water resistant than the other two. $40.00 a sheet, compared to $35.00 for Poplar is a no brainer: spend the extra $5.00 and have a deck that lasts you longer than you own the boat I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure the code UL34FIR stands for 3/4" Fir Underlayment.

I like Fir a lot better than pine, fir is lighter, stronger, and straighter. It also resists warping much better than pine.

 

[SierraMark]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

I got the MDO and its NOT going back to the store. it's only money right? I'll make more on Monday.

Mark

 

[jigngrub]

Re: Marks 1991 16' Starcraft Fishmaster Restoration

You done real good Mark!

That MDO will make for a high quality resto.

Is it the single face or double face overlay?