Maximum trailer tongue length?

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Re: Maximum trailer tongue length?

Now that makes perfect sense and understandable, Smoke. :) So it must be wrong. :eek:
 

81_chapparel194

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ok to hear from a expert (so to speak) and professional trailer builder. i work for a company that builds trailers. from utility trailers that transport mowers to heavy equpment trialers to transport a bull dozer. we are also a NATM compliant manufacturer, NATM being NATIONAL Association of Trailer Manufacturers.. national being key word. as this is the countries national standards.. as for tongue length laws im not sure but i can tell you this. the shortest tongue we build is 60" (5 feet) but that doesnt necessarily mean the whole 5 feet extend beyond the front most main frame of the trailer. if its a v tongue or a frame tongue about 24 inches are underneath the trailer so the actual tongue length is 36 inches because this is from forward most mainframe to the coupler. now we build some tongues at 94 inches total length including 36 inches underneath the trailer frame. which leaves 58 inches from frame to coupler. just 2 inches shy of 5 feet. but include another 6 inches for the coupler and you are beyond the 5 ft mark. but this is in Ga, however we ship all over the country including NJ. And even canada. and btw in canada all electrical wiring MUST be in conduit underneath the trailer or some sort of enclosure even if its just ra inside the trailer frame. pig tail excluded. but i would check with local LEO or DOT to be safe and find out exactly how NJ measures the tongue length.
 

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Re: Maximum trailer tongue length?

I didn't get a ticket that day. But got a warning stating 'Unsafe vehicle" with 'tongue too long hand written on it.
No statue number on it at all.
I stopped at a local truck weigh station and asked one of the DOT officers there, he had never heard of it, but asked a supervisor who said he thinks there is a law stating 5 or 6' max length but wasn't sure. He said all their concerned with is medium and heavy truck violations, they don't stop passenger tagged vehicles in general.

If the law is 5 or 6' max length then every last trailer I've ever owned is illegal, so is every trailer on the lot at the dealer too.
The trailer under my 12' tinny measures 16' overall, the rear frame loop is 40" wide, 40" front to back, the rest is tongue. The trailer is made by Venture. I bought it here in NJ new from a dealer under a 17' jon boat in 1998. The bunks are screwed right to the stamped frame rails, carpetted 2x4s standing on end. The tongue tube intersects the front part of the frame and bolts to the rear in the middle. They sold that same trailer with various length tongues for both boats and jet skis. I've got one built for a jet ski that's got only a 3' long tongue and two long bunks out the back. The whole trailer frame and tongue is only 8' long without the bunks. Both tongues are 2x3 galvanized steel tubing. Nearly every trailer I've owned has looked just like it.
I think it was something like $329 brand new back then. The one built for the jetski was only $159.
A few of my trailers have 2x3" tongue tubes, a few have 2x2" and two are 3x3". The shorter tongue trailers have larger tongue tubes. My Load Rite Lil' Rider roller trailer has about an 8' long tounge beyond the point where the side rails bolt up, the trailer is 18' long overall with 12 rollers.
Every other trailer has a much longer tongue tube.
The trailer I got pulled over with is an even longer version of the one pictured. All of the Venture branded trailers have 8" wheels, all of the Shorelandr' trailers have 12" wheels, and the two Load Rite Lil Rider roller trailers have 14" wheels.
The GVW on the trailer pictured is 890 lbs on the frame sticker. The axle has 1" spindles, 4.80x8 tires, and very light springs. The axle is mounted in a fixed location on the frame, the frame loop is all one piece. The entire trailer here consists of a rear loop, tongue and two piece bow stop with a coupler and two fenders. The whole trailer is super light, as pictured I can grap the thing under my arm and carry it from the balance point, which is just ahead of the axle. Its very light guage steel but it only carries a 180 lb aluminum boat, its trolling motor and a battery. Maybe 320 lbs loaded on its way to the lake less than a mile down the road.

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Re: Maximum trailer tongue length?

If the law is 5 or 6' max length then every last trailer I've ever owned is illegal, so is every trailer on the lot at the dealer too.
The trailer under my 12' tinny measures 16' overall, the rear frame loop is 40" wide, 40" front to back, the rest is tongue.........

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NOOOOO the rest is a single structural piece of steel that LEADS up to the tongue.... The frame of the trailer that is under the load (behind the winch stand) is not tongue.
 

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The definition of "trailer tongue" is the item of key importance here... The following are the only definitions I found... If you are still concerned go talk to the police chief and ask to see the law on the subject....

ultimatewasher.com's Definition for Trailer Tongue

"Trailer Tongue
The part of the trailer that separates the cargo from the towing vehicle. This is where the trailer coupler and jack are usually mounted."

Boats.com - Glossary


"trailer tongue
Forward portion of a trailer where the coupler is mounted."

trailer tongue | Definition, Meaning and Translation of trailer tongue | TermWiki.com

"trailer tongue

Forward portion of a trailer where the coupler is mounted."
 

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Re: Maximum trailer tongue length?

Personally I would just forget it and go about my business... I highly doubt that you'll ever have this problem again.
 

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Re: Maximum trailer tongue length?

I wonder what he would do with this? LOL
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I have a couple of those in the yard, instead of tongue we call it a reach??
The reach is collapsable for pulling longer poles.
You can find "reaches" on pup style trailers and logging trailers usually not collapsable though.


Maybe the officer saw to much "flex" in the "tongue" and determined it was not safe?

Thats the only thing I can think of.
 

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Re: Maximum trailer tongue length?

I agree that the only thing making sense is that the portion in front of the winch stand being considered the trailer "tongue".

Luckily, I reside in a state where the cops aren't concerned about such things.
 

81_chapparel194

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If the law is 5 or 6' max length then every last trailer I've ever owned is illegal, so is every trailer on the lot at the dealer too.

ok this should clarify things. as mentioned in my earlier post i work for a trailer manufacturer. so i did some research concerning this.. and MAXIMUM tongue length IS 5 feet. BUT BUT. here is the catch 22.. copied directly from the NATM (national association of trailer manufacturers) which governs the building of legal trailers. No tongue shall exceed 5 feet (60 inches) in length. yadda yadda and now to define tongue length. again directly coming from same book. Tongue measurements are measured from the forward most main frame cross member or front cap, and extend to the rear side of the coupler. not to the end of the coupler. and this is for standard trailers but to fast forward to boat trailers.. same length but here is where to measure from. still measuring from the front most main frame with the winch post being the foremost main frame of the trailer. as anything behind the winchpost IS CARGO AREA.... so in a nut shell measure from the winch post to the REAR of the coupler. so next time you get stopped kindly explain that the "tongue" may run the length of the trailer the actual tongue is from the winch post forward to the coupler. anything behind the winch post is cargo area. as if it were a lawn mower trailer the cargo area would be the area with the floor in it. hopefully i didnt confuse you.
 

81_chapparel194

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[under the cargo area is main frame and structural. they should be more concerned about tongue weight than length.. but you have bored, understaffed, unknowledgabe, over worked cops that just want to give you a hard time, with that said not all cops do this. you have this kind in every proffession
 

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MY thought is the cop used it as a excuse to pull you over, nothing more. Being as he didn't write up up he knew from the start he knew it was bogus. And the thing is in a odd way he was doing his job because he suspected it may of been stolen and the only way he could find out was to pull you over and see.
 

mfgniagara

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Re: Maximum trailer tongue length?

If the cop thought it was stolen, wouldn't running the tag be about all they can do?
If the tag registration owner matches the tow vehicle that pretty much tells them its not stolen.
Besides, in NJ the trailer, if used will 99% of the time be registered at home made, there is no title or proof of ownership unless it physically weighs more than 2500lbs empty. (Even most triple axle boat trailers don't weigh enough to need a title here.

It sounds to me like the cop was just wasting your time, fishing for something to write a ticket for.
 
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