Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

Dhadley

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Feb 4, 2001
Messages
16,978
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

The Mercs are faster??? Does that mean we gotta give back all the wins, championships and records we got with the OMC's?
 

Pony

Rear Admiral
Joined
Jun 27, 2004
Messages
4,355
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

As for the ford or chevy......I will always pick the bowtie.
 

timmathis

Lieutenant
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Messages
1,295
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

Chevy's merc.s and Hotdogs!!
 

FasterDaddy

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Oct 12, 2005
Messages
33
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

I gotta say that these days I think that I'd go Merc, Honda, or Yamaha. Why? I am stranded with a very nice Chrysler 8hp bought brand new in 1971. It still runs great AND WEIGHS LESS THAN 50 LBS! It also gets me and our little 14 foot aluminum DuraNautic to plane and up to 20 mph. But now the lower unit is leaking and it's hard to get parts. I know this little guy doesn't owe me anything, I bought it for less than $800, brand new. Its just that I am not sure I trust the Bomb with long term parts and availability for E/J products. The downside to the Mercs.... while being well supported and built, they are just too heavy. No... let me rephrase that -- they're PIGS! I'm not the only one that thinks so... Powerboats Reports reviewed several motors in this class and the big complaint was the weight... of all of them. One was 100 lbs! I just wish someone still made a small motor in the 8-10 hp range that I could carry. Since no one does, my little 8 HP Chrysler's lower unit is going to get fixed, somehow, someway... this winter.<br /><br />IS ANYONE LISTENING OUT THERE? Please shed the weight!
 

TOHATSU GURU

Admiral
Joined
Jul 22, 2004
Messages
6,164
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

I think I would go with the Merc...Tohatsu can always use that money ;)
 

JasonB

Lieutenant
Joined
Feb 10, 2003
Messages
1,455
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

I'm a JohnRude fan, but I also own a mercury and a Mercruiser (ford powered). The Johnson is a '76 85hp V4 that has never failed to get me home.<br /><br />Ford's rule....
 

swist

Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Jul 1, 2004
Messages
678
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

Nobody will be using motors that are modern today in 2053. They all are s**t. Covered in plastic with computers and sensors nobody needs.
I don't agree with this - many years ago auto engines went through the same transition from simplicity to computerization, sensors, etc. long before outboards did and I believe that, statistically speaking, they are more reliable than ever, not to mention better on gas, and longer maintenance intervals.<br /><br />It is hard to make objective comparisons in the marine outboard world because there are relatively few (compared to autos), and no organizations like Consumer Reports or others which track reliability.
 

BillP

Captain
Joined
Aug 10, 2002
Messages
3,290
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

Originally posted by swist:<br />
Nobody will be using motors that are modern today in 2053. They all are s**t. Covered in plastic with computers and sensors nobody needs.
I don't agree with this - many years ago auto engines went through the same transition from simplicity to computerization, sensors, etc. long before outboards did and I believe that, statistically speaking, they are more reliable than ever, not to mention better on gas, and longer maintenance intervals.<br /><br />It is hard to make objective comparisons in the marine outboard world because there are relatively few (compared to autos), and no organizations like Consumer Reports or others which track reliability.
Reliability and efficiency may be good today but finding reliable electronic parts in 50yr isn't likely to happen (unless the industry changes). Semiconductors run every computer out there but still can't sit on a shelf 40 yrs without degrading. In recent yrs the semiconductory industry is learning that new old stock (NOS) isn't meeting orginal specs when going back for qualifications. It's one of the reasons the Concord jet was taken out of service. They tried to get NOS semiconductors re-certified and they couldn't pass...a very slow electrolysis did them in. Only one company in the world (Harris) had NOS electronics on the shelf for that bird and they were the original manufacturer. At this point, technology isn't available to make a few new parts and still be cost effective. That is going to sink the ob motor supply because outboard motor industry is a pin head speck on the wall for semicondutor manufacturing. Virtually nobody in the world ramps up to make chips specifically for outboards. The way see it, new motors today may not be worn out in 50 yrs but finding reliable electronics to fix them will be near impossible.
 

Paul Moir

Admiral
Joined
Nov 5, 2002
Messages
6,847
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

I agree with swist. It's not like the goings on in these "black boxes" is that complex. If there's demand then the aftermarket will supply, and if the aftermarket can't supply they can always repair.<br />I sincerly doubt there are many ASICs in the outboard electronic world, and if there really are then those could be simulated.<br /><br />If Johnson/Evinrude and the aftermarket were not still making ignition coils for 50+ year old engines, a lot of those good outboards would be in the graveyard. But they do because we buy. And so many are bought that they're just about the cheapest ignition coil out there.
 

njlarry

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Sep 13, 2005
Messages
330
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

Good point! I couldn't even get memory chips for a seven year old IMB PC that was mass produced. If the outboard computors are model specific what will owners do in 15 years when one goes bad if a required semiconductor is no longer produced? Not a techie, just asking.
 

walleyehed

Admiral
Joined
Jun 29, 2003
Messages
6,767
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

By Dhadley;<br />
The Mercs are faster??? Does that mean we gotta give back all the wins, championships and records we got with the OMC's?
I'd like to hear some responses to this....<br />Everyone skipped it like it was hot coals.
 

butlp

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Feb 26, 2002
Messages
302
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

Talking with a local dealer when I was purchasing new air filters for my 2005 115 Optimax, he asked how the motor was working. I stated that if Erude had released the 115 E-Tec this spring I would have gone with it. He said I made the right choice as they had sold three 90 E-Tec's to different people and had a number of problems with each motor. he was too busy to elaborate, but now thing have quieter in the frozen north I'll drop him an e-mail and get some details.
 

steamboatwilly

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Aug 7, 2005
Messages
248
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

By Dhadley;<br /><br /> quote: The Mercs are faster??? Does that mean we gotta give back all the wins, championships and records we got with the OMC's? <br /><br />I'd like to hear some responses to this....<br />Everyone skipped it like it was hot coals.,,,,,, Ive always believed Mercs.were higher reving.J-E had more low-end torque.I know my 89-150 Johnson is really stout.So therefor I can run a bigger prop.than a Merc.can.(sorta like a higher gear).I believe if you have enough torque,you can use a big enough prop.to make up for higher rpms.Then it boils down to which one has the most heart(sort of like a race horse).That,I dont know which one.In MY mind I know which one.Nobody can change my mind my mind.
 

scotty c

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
May 19, 2005
Messages
145
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

run any 2-stroke or 4-stroke in fresh water<br />and with proper maintenance they will last<br />a long time.<br />run the same motor in the salt chuck, and you will get 1/2 that, even with good maintenance.<br />that salt water is just too corrosive.<br /><br />too early to say what the jap motors will be like<br />50 years from now, we are really only into 20 odd years of them in north america.
 

BillP

Captain
Joined
Aug 10, 2002
Messages
3,290
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

Originally posted by Paul Moir:<br /> I agree with swist. It's not like the goings on in these "black boxes" is that complex. If there's demand then the aftermarket will supply, and if the aftermarket can't supply they can always repair.<br />I sincerly doubt there are many ASICs in the outboard electronic world, and if there really are then those could be simulated.<br /><br />If Johnson/Evinrude and the aftermarket were not still making ignition coils for 50+ year old engines, a lot of those good outboards would be in the graveyard. But they do because we buy. And so many are bought that they're just about the cheapest ignition coil out there.
Coils are somewhat the exception compared to semiconductors. You can buy a generic automobile coil for a 1965 75hp OMC and it works fine (I did it when the coils were no longer available from OMC). Coils from a lawn mower engine fit my 1940 SeaKing, etc. Old technologhy coils are more plug and play than chips are. I was looking at a new Ford Explorer engine the other day and each spark plug had a coil on top of it. I wonder when obs will start doing that?
 

seahorse5

Rear Admiral
Joined
Jan 24, 2002
Messages
4,698
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

I was looking at a new Ford Explorer engine the other day and each spark plug had a coil on top of it. I wonder when obs will start doing that? [/QB]
The Suzuki 50-60 hp EFI 3 cylinder motors have had coils on the spark plug for several years now as do their V6's.<br /><br />The new F250 Yamaha 4-stroke has the same system, too.
 

BillP

Captain
Joined
Aug 10, 2002
Messages
3,290
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

I'm liking my simple carbed motors better every day.
 

dsrchamp04

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Jan 20, 2005
Messages
95
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

Kenny....I have one fact that I would like too make you aware of...and I said FACT!! Mercury Marine has won more championships and set more records than all other manufacturers combined. With that fact out of the way I think the guys on here are headed in the right direction when they say just take care of your stuff and it will be good too you...I agree with that way of thinking also....If our stuff broke down more often we wouldnt have so much time too argue about it in the first place.. :D ;) :p
 

rodbolt

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Sep 1, 2003
Messages
20,066
Re: Merc vs. 'JohnnyRude' OR Ford vs. Chevy

billp<br /> the F250 yams have the coil built onto the plug leads. it will be the wave soon. cheap to make and easy to service and it eliminates another wire.<br /> as far as support its amazing the stuff mitsubishi makes for yamaha, seems to share a lot with some of the auto world and the EDC diesels overseas. and so far mitsubisi stuff is far and away superior to anything by merc, presotlite,motorola or BRP/OMC. ign coils and CDI's just rarely fail on jap stuff. we stock them for mercs and jonny rudes but have none in stock for yammies. would never sell them.<br /> ECU failures are almost unheard of, most are caused by poor maint on the oil pump and burn out the oil pump controller that yamaha made into the ECU on the V6 model but an ign side ECU failure is very rare. I think I have seen two in the past 10 years or so. driver failures on the 2.6 HPDI are not quite so rare :) .
 
Top