Mercruiser 170 stalling problems

nola mike

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My solution is to troubleshoot. Sure, could be ignition. Could be fuel. Could be compression. Could be timing. I'd first off check spark. If spark, put some gas down the carb. If you try swapping in a new ignition you're adding another variable. If it still doesn't start, is it because your new ignition is bad? It was wired wrong?
 

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You could also see if your fuel filter has water in it.

If you have one...

I'd rule out bad fuel/ dirty tank based on the fact it ran 45 min at the shop without issues.

If the fuel filter has water in it there's a possibility that when the boat was in the water vs out that the water could be drawn in based on the angle of the boat...

The list of possibilities goes on...

Good luck...I hope it works out
 

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They already threw a bunch of ignition parts at

I get where you are coming from but there was work done and THEN they saw issues.

Troubleshooting 101 is out the door in this case...you are either attempting to find a mistake someone else made or a totally new issue that just raised based on OR NOT what the last guy did...

Introducing the pertronix setup is just a strategic and beneficial upgrade once the real issue is solved...or it might actually solve the issue itself

Tomatoes.....tomatoes...whatever...he would need to swap the coil and run the motor and see if the problem goes away anyway,m L
 

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I wd not throw away the old setup - learn how to swap it out in a pinch. also - the ignitor 1 series are compatible with standard coils, the 2 isnt - so you will need 2 sets in an emergency if you go ignitor 2.

As for the resistor wire, very few (iirc) used that, ooooold fords in the 60s and 70s perhaps - ither way, some coils DO care if you "throw" 12v at it or not, thats why they print on most coils (use an external ballast resistor" right on the front!

Be mindful of what im saying. Points can last you years and years.

it goes like this: you want around 3-3.5 TOTAL ohms while running for a points setup. SO a coil with a primary (the one stated on the specs) resistance of say 2 wd be perfect with a resistor of anywhere from 1.2 to 1.8.

Now the Bosch "blue" coils with 3 or 3.3 have no resistor.

Whats the difference? well the bosch cant use the resistor, which means you cant wire in the slave solenoid "i" terminal to bypass the ballast resistor for a boost while starting - THIS MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. My points setups ALL start at the turn of a key. 99% of ppl have no clue about the basics.

** Being able to bypass the external resistor during cranking is what will make your motor start the 1st swing vs not starting for 5-25 seconds or at all. The slave solenoid i mentioned comes with a special "i" terminal to do this. You CANNOT wire the starter wire to this as you starter will continually be engaged once its running. That is why you a: make sure you have the correct coil type, b: mount the coil vertical or 45 degrees max, c: have an inline ballast resistor d: wire in a slave solenoid with the "i" terminal going to the coil + sign.

Listen to what im saying - write it in stone. I swapped out 4 setups last week on ppls boats-



So your options are:

Ignitor one (compatible with points - benefit: easier to intermix with existing setup, can burn out when key left on/not running)
Ignitor 2 (incompatible with points coil, but you get the variable dwell AND it wont burn out if you accidentally leave the key in on while not running)

If you are not comfortable swapping out base plates etc, then I HIGHLY recommend keeping a preset coil as a backup (mark the plug wires and coil cap, and after timing has been set, make a scribe on backup distributor AND engine block so you can literally bolt it in and keep going) + with a basic diagram to pop in if ur in trouble somewhere out there. Shipping lanes arent user friendly when you coil has popped and ur on anchor.

Also - the pertronix units run on 12V CONSTANT, i bet u a six pack you do not have a resistor wire - IF you do be very carefull and bypass this for pertronix hook up.

If anything wire a separate wire for pertronix that goes "on" when the key is on - that reads 12v+. this is where probably 99.9% of failed units fail, from incorrect installation.

yes electronic is a gr8 upgrade but dont think its the best thing since sliced bread, familiarize yourself in the event of an emergency. Yes - maybe u might learn it could save lives.

hth
 

Benny67

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uhh...just get a wiring diagram of the boat....problem solved....highly doubt it's a slave solenoid as well.

Why anyone wants to screw around with points in this day and age when better technology is available is beyond me...good luck with it fellas
 

nola mike

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I think it's Bt Doctur that makes a good point (ha ha) that the electronic ignitions, when they fail, will leave you dead in the water. A set of points is fixable on the water.
 

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Nola,

I carry a spare Pertronix module and coil on board...well worth the piece of mind....along with other possible breakdown items.
 

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As for the resistor wire, very few (iirc) used that, ooooold fords in the 60s and 70s perhaps - ither way, some coils DO care if you "throw" 12v at it or not, thats why they print on most coils (use an external ballast resistor" right on the front!

Camaroman,

"A coil is a coil....it's does not care if it's input voltage varies by 2Vdc or not. It's output is subjectable to it's input. If it really needed a set 12Vdc to it it would have a voltage regulator build into it. As far as I know, there is no coil with that design in the marketplace"

The ballast resistor (or the resistor wire) you speak of creates a small voltage drop in a series circuit that is your ignition system...It's needed so you don't burn your precious old school points out in 3 weeks.

Ohms law you say? why yes..yes that's it.

The points only probably run on 10Vdc or so AFTER the engine starter disengages that is where your ballast resistor OR resistor wire comes into play in the circuit.

I don't know if the slave solenoid circuit you say is in the boat bypasses that resistive circuit OR allows the full 12Vdc to reach the ignition for starting only.

You are describing this without fully understanding it from an Electrical standpoint....
 

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I ordered the kit but i have to wait till it gets to my guy. I live 3 hours south of him, he's in lake george new york thats where ive boated my whole life so we'll just have to wait and see if that (the coil) was it.
 

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Need some suggestions and input! I Have a merc 170 in my boat and I recently got it tuned up with points, plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, etc. i have a close friend who works on my father and i's boats over the years and he ran it for 45 minutes straight at his shop out of the water with no issues. So I took it out and it ran for 5 minutes at the dock then i slowly got away from the dock and it stalled about a minute in. I waited a minute then tried again and i was running good at around 25 miles per hour and it bogged down and stalled again after a 10 minute ride and wouldnt start back up. Could this be bad gas or clogging in the fuel pump because of it? Any input is helpful

I'm going back to your first post and do not believe it is an electrical problem, its a fuel problem. Throw your money in coils, and other curd and what have you and your not going to be any further. As Nola mentioned, need to do some troubleshooting. You said it dies out slowly and not all at once, so its not electrical IMO

Put a fuel pressure gauge on at the carb and check the pressure
 

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Well...anyway good luck and I hope it's found with the least money spent.

My opinion is the money you spent on the pertronix setup is well worth it...even if it turns out to be fuel related in the end.

I am eager to find out the problem. ..post your findings
 

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So it ended up being the coil for one, but also the fuel filter being clogged, and the carb filter. Runs like a champ now guys. Thanks for all your input! Enjoy the summer on the water and the 4th coming up!
 

Wellcraft170

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Welp, that didnt last long lol. Took it out that one day and it was fine but yesterday i had it out and all was great when i first launched, headed over to our spot with my friend and after an hour we wanted to leave the spot and it wouldnt start. Completely baffled on this one. Maybe its the fuel pump? I have no idea. The fuel filter, carb filter, and fuel lines were all changed and cleaned out, new coil, plugs, plug wires, dist cap, everything has been changed... im so fed up
 

nola mike

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We still don't know if your problem was/is spark or fuel. Seriously, this should have been your first step.
 

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I had a issue just like this one. Mine turned out to be a section of the wiring was corroded. And it would randomly stop working, then start working again. The issue was half way between the engine compartment and the dash. Took a month to find the issue. Because every time the mechanic would check it, it would work fine. You should have checked for fuel and spark while it was acting up to help point you in the right direction. Nothing worse than a sporadic problem.
 
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