Mercruiser 1999 5.0 want to upgrade to 5.7

ibrw1

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Quick question, is it required that I use low profile valve covers or will the taller ones work? 5.7 6.2 liters
 

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With the alpha drive, I would always be worried about damaging it with a 383. I don’t see much point in having 375hp if your drivetrain prevents you from beating on it a bit. With that said, what model boat do you have? It’s not so much the power itself that’s a problem, it’s the size and weight of the boat coupled with the hp that causes stress to the drivetrain.

It it sounds like your mind is made up on the 383. Does your current engine have a tbolt-5 ignition? Some of the more knowledgeable people can chime in and tell you if that’s The same part on the 5.7/383. If so, I’d keep the ignition. It’s a good and reliable system and it already has a rev limiter.

the one you showed in the link seems like a decent deal. I’d see if they have them with the intake/carb and delete the delco voyager. Might save you some more money. The carb and intake alone will cost $700-$800. So add that to the $3200 you mentioned above, plus all the little nickel and dime parts, and you have to assemble it, you’re not really saving any money. Better to buy one already built that may have a 90 day or even 1 year warranty. Their shipping is $350 for the engine in Ocala. You may also want to try Michigan motorz. They’re closer to you, and may offer a similar package and price, plus they may be close enough for you to pick it up and you can save money on shipping. If you’re sticking with the 1.61/2 ratio that your boat probably has, you’ll be buying 25 pitch props.

as for the valve covers, if the new engine come with them, why change?
 

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If money is no issue...why stop at a 5.7 carb ?
why not a 350 mpi...or a 6.2mpi ? Even a 5.0 mpi with a cam will see nearly 300hp.
 

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330 hp is probably stretching it. 300 max on outdrive. Boat only 20 foot Crownline. I should be ok. Electronic ignition is a TB-5. No issues there. I have lots of engine parts. Rebuilt several mercruisers. Have intakes and 600 to 650 Marine quadrajets and so on. Money not issue as much as time is. I want the boat to look it’s best, boat is worth 2 times what I can get for it, soon it will be 3 times, and I could care less. I told wife I want to be buried in this boat. Having said that, I want the high profile valve covers because they look way way way better than stock black covers. Someday I will have to post pictures. I’ve replaced the carpet twice in 4 years and will replace it again next year because I don’t like some aspect of it. Thanks for everything
 

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I love a good upgrade tale. I'm with QB up above, having moved from a carbed mercruiser on a previous boat to a 5.7 MPI in the current boat has increased my enjoyment and decreased my annoyance factor by ten fold. Having the Bravo 1 and its superiority to the alpa 1 is just icing on the cake. You couldn't give me a new, crate non MPI engine for free at this point. Probably more dramatic for me as this is my first MPI boat since ditching the carbed boat so the memories of all of the carb related fumes, smoking, required warm up time, throttle response, additional maintenance that I don't have time for, etc are still fresh in my mind. Its the same feeling when I moved from an 82 Grand Prix to a fuel injected K car back in the day when electronic fuel injection was suddenly standard minus the peformance.
 

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If money is no issue...why stop at a 5.7 carb ?
why not a 350 mpi...or a 6.2mpi ? Even a 5.0 mpi with a cam will see nearly 300hp.

My current 5.0 with the Billy Mitchell heads w/4 bbl quadrajet will beat just about any 5.7 on the river. I want the boat I have, just a little more power. Boat Holds 10 semi fat friends, and then it’s a dog. Must take my 14.3 21p stainless off and go to a aluminum 19.

Im afraid of cams because of reduced vacuum and idle issues. Where I boat the Illinois or Mississippi rivers are full of DNR guys. If you stall out on ramp or give the illusion of sobriety issues. You get inspected, detected and ejected. So no semi outta control moves allowed. I never go over the line with booze! I just hate the test, inspections and delays. They catch people on the ramp, you gotta wait! Get stink eyes.
 

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If money is no issue...why stop at a 5.7 carb ?
why not a 350 mpi...or a 6.2mpi ? Even a 5.0 mpi with a cam will see nearly 300hp.

Just read jkust’s blurb. Beings both of you are in the thousands of posts and agree with one another. Let’s cover what scuttlebut I hear about MPI. vaper lock, least that’s the term thrown about. Back in the 60s Everyone my family drove cars with 440s in em. The imperial labarons and NewYorkers were known to vaper lock on hot days. Fuel pressures were low and engine compartments were insulated. Fuel boiled in gas lines.

How true is this with MPI boats? Fish tale? I’m willing to EFI vortec 350 and done.
Thoughts?
 
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Still playing with 383 stroker idea, So I found 350 block w/ 4 bolt mains and required machining for larger throw crank and accepts roller lifters w/ 1 piece rear main seal. I read about vortec heads and best dish pistons that complement the 350 Vortec heads. so, now what’s left is 1) connecting rods, why have a 4 bolt if you can’t use it? And 2) the roller Cam. I would like a cam that provides sufficient hang time to fill the 383 ci block. I’m guessing that because the valves are suited for a 350 then I would could expect to come up 10% short on the fuel. Engines are all about BTUs. Given the stroke has been increased am I to assume that the dwell will increased then, 10%? Last, CRANK forged, cast or scat. I know the differences and hot rod guys tell me scat. 30 years ago. Forged. Now, not so much ALTHOUGH Cam is biggest concern. I want difference of 350 to 383. Not much more. Thanks.
 

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I love a good upgrade tale. I'm with QB up above, having moved from a carbed mercruiser on a previous boat to a 5.7 MPI in the current boat has increased my enjoyment and decreased my annoyance factor by ten fold. Having the Bravo 1 and its superiority to the alpa 1 is just icing on the cake. You couldn't give me a new, crate non MPI engine for free at this point. Probably more dramatic for me as this is my first MPI boat since ditching the carbed boat so the memories of all of the carb related fumes, smoking, required warm up time, throttle response, additional maintenance that I don't have time for, etc are still fresh in my mind. Its the same feeling when I moved from an 82 Grand Prix to a fuel injected K car back in the day when electronic fuel injection was suddenly standard minus the peformance.

Spot on jkust
im constantly amazed at the fuel economy, I now find myself exploring instead of just going from point a to point b. It a big thing thing given the fuel cost here in uk.
I ALSO LOVE THE SMART CRAFT AND VESSEL view gadget factor
 

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UK?, been there, loved it! Spent years on your side of the pond. I don’t remember running into one person that I didn’t like! Loved the Bass Ale. News papers were great too. Two things I didn’t like was driving and gas prices!
 

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UK?, been there, loved it! Spent years on your side of the pond. I don’t remember running into one person that I didn’t like! Loved the Bass Ale. News papers were great too. Two things I didn’t like was driving and gas prices!

Yeah....Scotland and the bonnie banks.
i haven't had any vapour lock issues....few iac and diz cap usual Mpi issues. Once sorted, can't beat them...especially when fuel is such an issue....some will say there isn't that much difference. Only those who haven't owned one. Fact is, the 5.0 is as powerful as the top spec 5.7 carb....the 5.7 is as powerful as the 7.4....and a third of the consumption. Compatible with the gadgets too.
my own boat will cruise at 25/26 mph gps at 2200 rpm and 19litres per hour....takes a bit of beating that
 

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“I found this 5.7L Vortec MPI Throttle Body Intake with Fuel Rail & Injectors, New - Take-Off” Michiganmotors eBay they have a couple of them for sale.

So keeping with idea that MPI might do the trick, make me happy, just trying to squeeze a little more power out. Hearing about resolved issues, cold start, more power, less maintenance. Sounds great. What else is required to make this fuel injection work?
 

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This is the reply from Michigan motors

“You also need an ECM, the MPI engine wire harness, and a hi-pressure and low-pressure fuel pump. We do not have these items available or for sale.
Yes, this is made for a 8-bolt intake manifold (4 bolts per side)”
I will start the hunt for these parts. Fuel pump should be easy.
 
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I found new wiring harness and high pressure fuel pump. Not sure what Engine Control Module I need as yet.
 
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You are going to be opening up your wallet big time if you think you are just going to drop in an MPI motor. You would be way better off and spend less money buying another boat than adding an MPI to yours.

I would drop in a 383 way before I put in a 5.0MPI.
 
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ibrw1

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(Upgrade to MPI. Replace 4bbl) I enjoy working on my boat possibly more than cruising around in it. Thinking $1800 total. I found all but 1 part. ECM, thinking $800. Lots of directions offered. 305 MPI, 350, cheapest route or 383 stroker. MPI, just started my investigation. My boat is worth less than half what I got into it. Having said that, i would loose big to let it go. Hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars. Throwing money into boat, it’s a hobby. Thanks everyone
 

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QBhoy, 5 MPG at 22 MPH or any speed is fantastic. My 5.0 4bbl in a 20 foot Crownline BR tops out at 3 MPG I use GPS and Fuel Minder. The fuel minder is the best gadget I ever bought. I enter 40 gallons when I fill it, then it displays GPH and fuel remaining. Like that. Anyway I’m impressed. MPI seems like a good upgrade for just that. The cold start issues too. So am I right regarding upgrading my 5.0 4bbl to MPI intended for 5.7? I will update engine later to 350 or 383 next year if MPI this year.
 

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I had a 3.0 mercruiser in a 18 Rinker run about that would run all weekend on less than 18 gallons. Never should have sold that boat. I have 2 cars, why not 2 boats, right.
 

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My 21' Bayliner with a 5.0L engine got 5MPG and it was carb'd. My 24' wellcraft with a carb'd 7.4L can get 3.0MPG and that is measured with a flow meter. My most economical speed is 35MPH at 3500 RPM with my carb'd 7.4L.

Bottom line...don't go to MPI for the fuel economy. My brother had my same engine with a slightly larger boat with MPI and his MPG was much less.
 

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My 21' Bayliner with a 5.0L engine got 5MPG and it was carb'd. My 24' wellcraft with a carb'd 7.4L can get 3.0MPG and that is measured with a flow meter. My most economical speed is 35MPH at 3500 RPM with my carb'd 7.4L.

Bottom line...don't go to MPI for the fuel economy. My brother had my same engine with a slightly larger boat with MPI and his MPG was much less.

I know what you are saying here...but the older 7.4mpi you are comparing with is a totally different deal from the 5.0 and 350mpi of the 2003 onwards vintage.
Comparing the carb 5.7 to the 5.0mpi would be a direct comparison. They are the same power when the 5.7 is in its most powerful 4 barrel form (260hp)
In terms of fuel consumption, there is only one clear winner.
 
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