mercury 9.8 should crankcase get hot?

jbjennings

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1972 merc 9.8. replaced water pump housing, seals, impeller, checked all exhaust cover and head cover water jackets and ran water through holes to see if any blockage existed. All seemed great. Used sealant around pump pickup tube on both ends. It seems to be pumping better now but the tell tale stream still feels too hot, particularly when wide open. On my other motors the tell tale is barely warm. Also, the block surrounding the pistons seems nice and cool but forward of the exhaust plate it gets very hot to me--can't hold hand on it for more tan a couple of seconds. I'm scared to run it very far. Am I being paranoid or should all of the block be nice and cool all of the time. The motor runs really nice and I don't want to ruin it.
Thanks ahead for your help,
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Texasmark

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Re: mercury 9.8 should crankcase get hot?

Don't know your engine, therefore don't know what to recommend over what you have suggested.

I'd find out if it has a thermostat and/or water pressure bypass valve in the head. If so, remove temporarily, look for good water circulation (running at idle on muffs) and inspect/replace both if any damage is suspected. The stat can be tested on the stove in a pot of water with a candy therm. Opening temp is stamped on the pellet.

140 degrees F is the temperature of most domestic hot water heaters set to the Normal position. If you have such, feel that water.

T stats in 2 current engines here are fitted with 120F and 143F stats. Considering operation, output water, could be at that temp or slightly higher considering this is where the stat starts opening.

Some engines put the pee tube in the exhaust manifold water jacket or at the outlet of the block water, and others take it off the head at the output of the tstat.....in this type, you don't get pee till the stat opens....very bad design.

Cylinder explosion/combustion is what normally generates heat so the hot spots are usually cylinder associated. Therefore mfgrs put cooling passages around those areas, not fuel/air intakes where there is no combustion.

Water to the exhaust manifold has to be there as long as the engine is running so it will go from cool to warm as the engine warms. The stat has nothing (directly) to do with that water. You can just follow the hose to see where it come from. Stats and bypass valves are in the head.


The fact that the intake area of your engine is hotter than the output seems very peculiar to me. You are in the area of engine bearings associated with the crank, reed valves, and the carbs, none of which should be generating any heat.

Best I can do from here.

Mark
 

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Re: mercury 9.8 should crankcase get hot?

Your engine is about the right age for the upper water tube grommets retainer to be made of plastic, if it is they melt when the w/pump quits and the engine overheats, this restricts the water flow to the engine enough for the engine to run hot, The bad part to this problem is it requires the removal of the powerhead to ck. the thing, mercury has since replaced the plastic retainer with ceramic material
 

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Re: mercury 9.8 should crankcase get hot?

I've also seen plenty of 'em with the rubber grommet swollen up and cutting off water circulation. Same thing happens with 9.9 & 15HP Johnrudes.

Another thing to check with the powerhead off is the water discharge passage in the base of the powerhead. I had a 4.5 HP Merc that pumped water like crazy out the telltale but very little out the exhaust relief ports at the back of the exhaust tower. Pulled the powerhead and found the discharge passages were plugged up. So almost all the water going thru the motor had to exit out the telltale.

BTW this motor doesn't have a thermostat, so there's definitely something awry.
 

jbjennings

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Re: mercury 9.8 should crankcase get hot?

thanks for the help. pulled the powerhead but tube, grommet, passages were great. makes me wonder if it's supposed to be hot where it's hot. i'm about ready to run 'er till she blows. I'm beginning to hate mercury outboards. my johnsons and evinrude are awesome, shouldn't have even bought this darned mercury. i am baffled as to why the telltale is so hot and how the cylinders can be so cool but just behind them be so hot, and why the telltale stream feels much hotter than the cylinders and main exhaust cover. any other ideas?
thanks again,
jbjennings
 

Texasmark

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Re: mercury 9.8 should crankcase get hot?

JB. If you are ready to junk your Merc, email me and I will give you an address where you can ship it and I will pay the freight.....assuming it only has the problem you mentioned.

Mark
 
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