MFG Carefree Transom?!

[jbcurt00]

Flyingscott, I dont have any idea where you got the impression that it was even remotely suggested that overpowering was ok.

Thats an incorrect assumption and is not what anyone has said.

Only that the CG doesnt enforce following the rating plate, states and local LEOs do, and to find out what a specific policy and insurance company will cover in the event of an accident.

Perhaps you should walk away for a bit, take a break and when you come back later, see if you 'read' any previous posts differently then you do now.

Sound like a plan?

Come on spring and ice out.

Jeez, anyone wanna argue about fuel add-ins and ethanol?

 

[GA_Boater]

Can we just say the Coast Guard sets the standards and the states enforce the standards based on their laws, while the extent of insurance coverage is determined by an individuals policy?

It is impossible to predict any outcome because there are too many variables.

 

[flyingscott]

In accordance with Title 46 United States Code, Chapter 23, Section 2302: ? A person operating a vessel in a negligent manner that endangers the life, limb or property of a person is liable to the United States Government for a civil penalty of not more than $1,000. ? A person operating a vessel in a grossly negligent manner that endangers the life, limb or property of a person shall be fined not more than $5,000, imprisoned for not more than one year or both.

How do they not get you for that in an overpowered boat. I did not make that up and it's federal

 

[ondarvr]

In accordance with Title 46 United States Code, Chapter 23, Section 2302: ? A person operating a vessel in a negligent manner that endangers the life, limb or property of a person is liable to the United States Government for a civil penalty of not more than $1,000. ? A person operating a vessel in a grossly negligent manner that endangers the life, limb or property of a person shall be fined not more than $5,000, imprisoned for not more than one year or both.

How do they not get you for that in an overpowered boat. I did not make that up and it's federal

Please highlight the part where is says overpowering is automatically a violation by being "negligent operation". You could be in violation of this with an underpowered boat just as easily. Having more power doesn't automatically become dangerous, and why going over 20' magically make this safe (there is no regulation for outboards over 20').

You feel very strongly about this, I understand that, but it doesn't change the law or how it's enforced.

 

[flyingscott]

That is the problem it's not in there and they could bust an underpowered boat unlikely but they could.. Since states lump there overpowered laws int the same type of laws. It's like catching a DWI with a taillight. I am not the smartest guy by a long shot so if i can make that connection so can anybody. But take a look at how vague it's worded ,I copied it verbatim from the CG website. It's such an umbrella law open to interpretation there are no specifics. I think telling people overpowering can't be enforced is wrong that law is to vague to say it can't be. What's not there is just as important as what's there. How many times on this forum have people said it is unsafe to overpower a boat. Once you know it's unsafe it's negligence so that puts you into that law. It's out there and it's enforceable. I also think that 20' boat mark is going to be revisited sooner than later because of the motors that are coming out now. One good wreck and that will be looked at.

 

[ondarvr]

You are reading far too much into it, you could list a million things that could fall into the catagory of negligent, but you actually need to be doing the negligent act. Idling out to the end of the jetty and then trolling would not be negligent use of an of an overpowered boat. Racing past other boaters at close range in your boat with a motor 50 HP under the max is.

 

[flyingscott]

let's agree to disagree there is enough info here for someone to make a decision

 

[bassman284]

Your right, they did. I just looked at my plate again. But even rated at 30hp, I can put a 50hp on it right? Thats what ondarvr stated. I understand your reasoning. I relize overpowering is not a great idea, I just want to try it first, see if it preforms good and if not I can throw a 9.9 on the boat till I can afford a 30.

Heck, you can put a 200 hp on it if you want. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

 

[Chrisravosa36]

Hi, I started to dig out my transom on my 73' Carefree and it seems there are twos parts, There is the outer skin, wood then a sheet of fiberglass, then wood. Should I just cut the outer wood? Ive included a picture below.

 

[fhhuber]

Its a question of how much plywood is rotted.

If just the one layer, then you can possibly get away with just replacing one layer.

I doubt its just the one layer...

 

[Chrisravosa36]

Its a question of how much plywood is rotted.

If just the one layer, then you can possibly get away with just replacing one layer.

I doubt its just the one layer...

The inner layer seemed good, even the the last .5inches of the outside layer wasnt rotted, it was really the first inch, but I still have to take all of the outerlayer off for seacast. Thanks for your help!

 

[Woodonglass]

Uhmmm if you're gunna pour a SeaCast transom you're gunna wanna remove ALL the wood between the inner and outer skins. That will give you a 1 1/2" thick transom and you need that for strength and structural stability. ALL the wood needs to be removed in order to get a good bond. What technique are you using??

 

[Chrisravosa36]

Uhmmm if you're gunna pour a SeaCast transom you're gunna wanna remove ALL the wood between the inner and outer skins. That will give you a 1 1/2" thick transom and you need that for strength and structural stability. ALL the wood needs to be removed in order to get a good bond. What technique are you using??

Im using the chainsaw tecnique, I am removing all the 1 - 1/2 inch wood. Im talking about the other part, im keeping that.

 

[sphelps]

Chris any reason ya didn't put this in your rebuild thread you already started ... ?
Anywhoo someone may have replaced the transom at some point before and sandwiched the two layer together ...
Just a guess ...

 

[Woodonglass]

Im using the chainsaw tecnique, I am removing all the 1 - 1/2 inch wood. Im talking about the other part, im keeping that.

The OTHER PART???:noidea:

 

[GA_Boater]

Chris - When you post up such close in pics, do us a favor and post a few more from a distance. Like the entire transom, both inner and outer. It's the only way to give good advice as in the "other part" - What's that?

 

[Chrisravosa36]

Transom Repair Proposals??

Hello, many of you may have seen my other threads about my MFG Carefree. Ive talked about seacasting it, and I have thought thee transom is completely rotted. Now its spring, and it got very much warmer so I started digging. I got about 2 - 3 inches down, and noticed there was no more rotted wood. it was dry and strong,it seemed only water seeped into the top! Now I did another test drill in many places, and it was all dry and no signs of rot. Now I have to fix this. I have a few ideas..... Please call me an idoit, because I have no idea if these would work!

- Buying a gallon of seacast, and just dumping it in!
- Make My own "peanutbutter" and dumb that down
- Pour in some peanutbutter until the smallholes, and crevices are filled, then start matting glass ontop of that.

These are my Ideas, as some of you no I am going with a 40hp on it, so its a little over power.

 

[jbcurt00]

D: None of the above

I thougth you'd decided against the overpower on the MFG

Going to finish the 50hp, get her running good an sell her for a 25,30 or 35hp.

Same boat, same topic, merged and merged w your original MFG topic as it seems you cant keep track of what was posted previously (WOGs comment @ removing 100% of wood to use SeaCast not half and half

 

[GA_Boater]

Chris - You're starting with junk and you only plan on covering up. You may only have 2-3" of rot now, but unless you remove and replace the transom wood, soon you will have all rot.

Please do a proper repair and replace the transom wood..

 

[Chrisravosa36]

D: None of the above

I thougth you'd decided against the overpower on the MFG


Same boat, same topic, merged and merged w your original MFG topic as it seems you cant keep track of what was posted previously (WOGs comment @ removing 100% of wood to use SeaCast not half and half

Im going to go with a 40hp, on my original MFG Thread a few people said 40hp wouldnt be to much over, (rated at prop) 35hp or so. I was going to post in this thread, but couldnt find it, thank you for moving it! The problem is the chainsaw is having a hard time getting though the rest of this wood.... Is there any other alternitives other than the whole transom removal? Because it seems extremley hard at this rate of chainsawing.