Murtha removes unfavorable troop poll

[KaGee]

The congressman at the center of the battle last week over withdrawal of troops from Iraq removed the results from his own Internet poll on the subject after online voters overwhelmingly opposed his stance. <br /><br />

STORY HERE

 

[QC]

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Important note: That was the results of a poll on a Democrat's site . . . I believe that it is safe to assume that the results would've been even more negative had that poll been conducted on a neutral site, whatever/wherever that is . . . <br /><br />Thanks KaGee. Anybody see this on any of the mainstream media outlets?

 

[KaGee]

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Originally posted by Quietcat:<br /> ...Anybody see this on any of the mainstream media outlets?

Nope... that's why I posted it here. Another thing the liberal media does not want you to know.

 

[alden135]

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Obviously he does not know how to properly word poll questions. From my understanding of how modern polls work I think these would have been better questions:<br /><br /> Please indicate which of the following best summarizes your view on what the United States should do in Iraq:<br /><br /> A. We should immediately remove all troops and give each American a brand new car.<br /><br /> B. We should redeploy to the periphery of Iraq as soon as practical to protect troop safety and give the Iraqis incentive to take charge sooner, not later. Then we should pave our roads with gumdrops and love each other.<br /><br /> C. We should maintain current troop levels until Iraq builds an army to defend and stabilize their country, even if that takes years. We should kill all puppies and have plastic surgery to look more like George Bush.<br /><br /> D. We should re-institute the national draft to increase troop levels to where we can seal the Iraqi borders and stop the passage of insurgents and insurgent-supply missions. These draftees will be unpaid, get no equipment and will be conscripted for 40 years.<br /><br /> E. Only A or B.<br /><br />Polls are merely a means to an end. Ask the right questions and get the right answers.

 

[KaGee]

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I hate gumdrops!

 

[Limited-Time]

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What’s that line from an Eagles song....Don't you worry they won't let the facts get in their way....or should that be constituents instead of facts??

 

[JB]

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LMAO at Alden.

 

[QC]

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Yup, Alden strikes again

 

[rodbolt]

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this is old news<br /> even CNN posted the results of the senate poll on it. but what Murtha did was shake a tree. <br /> I dont support a withdrewl like siagon myself, however we do need to either withdraw or put enough proper equipment, not humvee's with scrap iron welded on, and boot prints to control the area. in fact it should have been done at the start of this boondoggle. it may have if anyone in the current admin had ever attended a war college or listened to the folks in the know, rumsfeld should have his six week war as an epitaph. what a ludricruos idiotic statement that was. and Bush isnt any better with his mission accomplished photo op either.<br /> it is funny that they are now looking to the Iraqis to get an honerable way out . I critisize Bush and his merry band of idiots all the time, from Cheny who's main excuse for never serving was cause he had better things to do and got 5 deferments to Rice who really is only qualified as a girlscout leader and a puppy. seems no one asked a true military leader to properly plan on how to invade a land mass about the size of TX with a population of about 26 million surrounded by hostiles on how many troops will actually be needed the cost of supplying them and the type of vehicles and armour needed. seems it was pissy poor from the start but it does appear to be getting better, other than the fact the military analysts are talking the current troop levels and rotations cannot be sustained after about 12-18 more months. I am whole heartedly for a draft though. as long as it has NO deferments for ANY REASON other than a military medical doctors reason.<br /> if those conditions are not met I will vehemetly oppose any draft.<br /> but Murtha was shot down a few days ago.

 

[blade_x]

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Thats definitely a lol @ alden!

 

[POINTER94]

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Murtha is a war hero, well how about a few words from someone, another war hero, a recent and current hero, on the conditions in Iraq. And why exactly would an "expert" need a poll to substatiate his position. And why didn't he vote for the resolution for immediate withdrawl when it was offered immediately after he asked for just such a resolution?<br /><br />Minnesota's Lt. Col. Joe Repya, who volunteered to return to active duty for service in Iraq at age 59. Joe's previous service includes command of a rifle platoon in Vietnam and flying helicopters in the first Gulf War. <br /><br />Joe is a classic citizen patriot and activist. He first came to public attention in March 2003 when, disturbed by the anti-war campaign mounted by Minnesota liberals, he arranged for the production of lawn signs saying "Liberate Iraq -- Support Our Troops." His effort garnered a lot of publicity, and Joe eventually distributed 30,000 signs.<br /><br />Today he writes: <br /><br />Two weeks ago, as I was starting my sixth month of duty in Iraq, I was forced to return to the USA for surgery for an injury I sustained prior to my deployment. With luck, I'll return to Iraq in January to finish my tour. I left Baghdad and a war that has every indication that we are winning, to return to a demoralized country much like the one I returned to in 1971 after my tour in Vietnam. Maybe it's because I'll turn 60 years old in just four months, but I'm tired:<br /><br />I'm tired of spineless politicians, both Democrat and Republican who lack the courage, fortitude, and character to see these difficult tasks through. <br /><br />I'm tired of the hypocrisy of politicians who want to rewrite history when the going gets tough.<br /><br />I'm tired of the disingenuous clamor from those that claim they "Support the Troops" by wanting them to "Cut and Run" before victory is achieved. <br /><br />I'm tired of a mainstream media that can only focus on car bombs and casualty reports because they are too afraid to leave the safety of their hotels to report on the courage and success our brave men and women are having on the battlefield.<br /><br />I'm tired that so many American's think you can rebuild a dictatorship into a democracy over night.<br /><br />I'm tired that so many ignore the bravery of the Iraqi people to go to the voting booth and freely elect a Constitution and soon a permanent Parliament. <br /><br />I'm tired of the so called "Elite Left" that prolongs this war by giving aid and comfort to our enemy, just as they did during the Vietnam War.<br /><br />I'm tired of anti-war protesters showing up at the funerals of our fallen soldiers. A family who's loved ones gave their life in a just and noble cause, only to be cruelly tormented on the funeral day by cowardly protesters is beyond shameful.<br /><br />I'm tired that my generation, the Baby Boom - Vietnam generation, who have such a weak backbone that they can't stomach seeing the difficult tasks through to victory.<br /><br />I'm tired that some are more concerned about the treatment of captives then they are the slaughter and beheading of our citizens and allies.<br /><br />I'm tired that when we find mass graves it is seldom reported by the press, but mistreat a prisoner and it is front page news. <br /><br />Mostly, I'm tired that the people of this great nation didn't learn from history that there is no substitute for Victory.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Joe Repya<br />Lieutenant Colonel<br />U. S. Army<br />101st Airborne Division

 

[jtexas]

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Today most people favor finishing the job. But does anybody think it's just a matter of time until the majority swings the other way? <br /><br />"the people of this great nation didn't learn from history that there is no substitute for Victory" (Lt. Col. Repya)<br /><br />Very astute. We need to win it. Commit whatever resources it takes. How? That's outside the scope of my experience, but I gotta believe that the expertise exists around here somewhere.

 

[POINTER94]

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It exists, in the military. Our Military. But when people like Durbin are running around calling them nazi's, it makes the job impossible. Let the military do their job, and oh yea, stop making public statements undermining not only the mission but the troops and CIC. It doesn't help the effort. Providing aid and comfort to the enemy isn't really a good idea either. Lets send our elected officials back to school to learn a couple of new words. VICTORY. SUCCESS, SUPPORT, PROUD, FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY. Unfortunately some in Washington can only win if we lose in Iraq. Now how could a supportive public servant ever get put into this position? <br /><br />BTW what the people favor is a little late now. We are committed. That used to mean something, you know, committment. Finish what you start, keep your word. Support those who support you. Stand up for what is right. You know, those things that show charactor. We have a chance to prove something to the Iraqi people, prove something to ourselves and prove something to the world. But it seems there are a whole lot of people who would prefer we lose. Or at least they are underminding them at every turn. Like say trying to post a poll to swing public opinion.<br /><br />Kick Butt, and sort the rest out later. The neat part is that most of the American people believe this. They want to win, and are getting tired of the lame excuses and political gamesmanship that is being played. And Amen to that.

 

[rodbolt]

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goes back to what I said. its about the 10 points of economy of force, bubba was on a coke break when that subject came up I guess.<br /> I to am tired, tired of being lied to about 6 week wars, tired of being lied to about mission accomplished, either ya fight to win or ya dont fight. we should have had at least one million pairs of boot prints in the sand in 03.however that would not have been PC to the current admin so they fired anyone who did not see the planning their way, even colin powell had to go.<br /> to me a war means total effort and anything else is a waste of time.<br /> should have had gasoline and war materiels rationing here to support the troops there.<br /> anything less is a limited war and cannot be won, has never been won and will never be won.<br /> but to send troops with substandard low bid equipment and not enough to do the job then dragging it out for almost 3 years is idiotic I dont care who you are. so yes I support my friends that are still in service and still deploying, I feel bad I am not there. but I can tell you when people are doing there 3rd and 4th combat rotation in 3 years or so and now all are seeing the schedule move from 6 months to 12 or more you will see retention rates fall as burnout takes its toll.<br /> we either need to place more boots and equipment on the ground and get rid of all the mercenary's (contractors) and get control or give it back to the Iraqis and pay attention to domestic problems. <br /> its similar to vietnam and korea, the military should be sent in by politicians with a clear mission and goal then allowed to use the professional expertise to win the thing, not some draft dodinging coke snorting alcoholics and deferred persons.<br /> most of the folks running this could not lock and load a revolver much lesss an M61A1 or a missle battery or even keep the gas turbines running. most likly could not even do a 16 count manual or close order drill.<br /><br /> so ill stand by what I say, support it by putting your politics where your mouth is(current admin) or get the heck out and let them folk go back to just killing each other with western weapons.

 

[KaGee]

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> this is old news<br /> even CNN posted the results of the senate poll on it.

Perhaps you did not read the article..... First of all, this had nothing to do with a CNN senate poll. This was a personal poll put up by Murtha (or his cohorts)himself. <br /><br />The poll went up over the weekend and then disapeared without explaination on Tuesday afternoon. I posted this on Wednesday morning. <br /><br />I would have thought that the topic and the original post would have been self explanitory... but somehow you find a way to hijack the thread by ranting about the sins of the past. Sins which we are sure to repeat because of an uninformed and misinformed electorate. <br /><br />Misinformed due to a media with an agenda. You can bet the farm, had this poll backed Murtha Et-Al, it would have been front page everywhere. Instead it gets quietly taken away because it does not support the agenda.<br /><br />Uninformed due to the inability of most to be able to read or listen beyond the bi-line. They take their news McDonalds style... combo # 1 to go and make it fast.

 

[KaGee]

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dbl post...sorry

 

[12Footer]

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Polls are poles. Alden, you nailed it

 

[JB]

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Hmmmm. Something troubles me about this thread.<br /><br />Senator Murtha and LTC Repya are both war heroes in my mind, and I am most grateful to both for their service to our nation.<br /><br />Their right to express their views is the same as the rest of us. They didn't earn it through their service any more than the millions of us who have gone in harms way to protect and preserve that right for all Americans. Nor are the rights of those who haven't served any less than theirs.<br /><br />I have always rankled when a person's credibility is promoted with phrases like "Church going family man", "leading citizen", and, frankly, "decorated war hero". I just don't see how these credentials have any effect on the probability that what (s)he has to say is important, accurate or wise.<br /><br />In this case I disagree strongly with Sen Murtha and agree strongly with LTC Repya. It is no different than disagreeing with txswinner, who went to war on our behalf, and agreeing with my Son, who did also. Their opinions carry equal weight with celebrated heros.<br /><br />Great achievement or sacrifice in one field lends no credibility in another. The notion that a person must be heard and must be right because of celebrity (often conferred by the media)just doesn't make sense.

 

[rodbolt]

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agian JB has wisdom. I was not trying to hijack a thread. just trying to show tha while Murtha is a respected figgue he was wrong I think.<br /> I dont look at the service record I look at why they did or did not sign up.

 

[12Footer]

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Amen Rodbolt.<br />Murtha, kerry, McCaine, JFK and JB are all heroes of mine....Only one could i ever stomach reading opinion from.<br />You da man, JB.