My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Shallowman

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Time to make the boat look decent . Floor and transom are good and solid still so ive decided that i need to do repairs on where the side console meets the floor and need to fix the front deck . Wanting to extend the front deck back another 18 to 20 inches while doing the repair . Also the storage now part live well top seems to be very weak so that needs addressed . While there are some repairs needed , Most of the time will go into painting ..... so prep - prep - prep and prep some more .

The boat will be used for a couple fishing trips a month and never left in water so ive decided i'll use Brightside using roll and tip since i have 2 quarts here now . I'll need to grab some primer and fiqure out when i need to sand between coats rolling and tipping the brightside paint.

The inside needs repainting too , i like the webbing look but may just use interlux deck paint . Not sure if i'll need to primer inside also ?

The hull needs some repairs also , again not sure if i should just reglass these areas since iam primer and painting or just use a filler .
 

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Shallowman

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Decided to fix and paint the inside of the boat first . Ive sanded the spot where the side console meets the floor , made the templetes for the deck being extended . So far so good on them two area except not sure what wood to use for the deck. Also ive seen posts with the wood left bare on the underside - should i coat it with sealer on the underside except perhaps the 3/4 to 1 inch band where it would sit on ?
I started to move towards the back of the boat to fiqure out how to support or fix the sag in the top of what what used as a livewell. I glance at the back bilge area and thought wait a min ... i have a drain spot for the plug on back to get water out the boat but NONE on either of the three sides ( for under the floor ) --- The boat is older but there should be one there correct ?

Couple other quick questions - I don't mind the color green the hull and the sides are ( removed a small area of some oxidation and it cleaned up decent ) When i fix the couple areas on the hull and if i choose not to paint i could try to match up the color somewhat close gelcoat wise . Cost wise , looking at the paint your boat for 100.00 , with the sanding , faring , primer and fresh paint would this be better for me to be sure the boat is sealed well ?
 

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Heres a few photos - the areas i was talking about in above post . Iam off this weekend and would like to get some supplies i'll need

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Use a good grade/quality exterior plywood, lots of folks on this forum like the ABX Aruco brand plywood. Don't use pressure treated because it'll be wet and your sealer won't be absorbed into the wood.

As far as the sealer goes, some folks like to completely seal their decking and others just do the top and edges... it's up to you. What kind of sealer do you plan to use?

As for your bilge drain, some of those small glas boats don't have one (like Boston Whaler). If you don't have a deck drain you probably won't have a bilge drain either.

The "paint your boat for $100" method should be fine for that boat, don't forget the hardener.
 

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Thanks jigngrub ,
Reading thru old posts sometimes confusing me more , but i read a few (just have to find them again) About using a valspar product on the underside of the wood / braces . In this boat , The front deck area sits on the little "lip" about 3/4 wide, no braces under it . The underside of the casting deck appears to be not coated at all . I want to glass the top back in like the current one is .
None of the inside of the boat is smooth , which i don't mind as it is not slick , but not sure how i will be able to primer the inside and paint if i need to sand in between coats .

For the wood , i'll see what i can around here last time i looked i couldn't find marine grade plywood in stock . arauco would be great if i can find any around here ( not looked since that fire they had )
 

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Need alittle help on what to use . On the casting deck there was no bracing underneath , but since iam extending it , i am going to aleast add some bracing . Fiqured i 'd just tab them in and also use Spar urethane or rusto poly urethane after they are tabbed in . After the casting deck bracing is in should i use PL where the deck sits on the bracing and the 3/4 lip around the hull ? Fiqured i set blocks on it to hold it down OR should i screw SS screws thru deck into the braces , then cover the srews heads with a filler ? What mat or cloth should i use after iam done installing the deck ?

I thought before i seen a post on how to *transfer* the curved area of the trihull to a template ( where it rounded /flat/rounded ) but i could not find that post again . Whats the best way to get this template ? The part circled in blue in the picture.

Last one for now is .. In the pic , circled in red . I need to replace these . The wood is solid from the floor up 8 inches or so but near the top the wood is either gone or soft . Fiqured i'd cut them out with the cutting wheel and just replace them . Which cloth or mat do i need to use ?

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

The old front deck is out now , just need to finish sanding some so i can run the glass around it . Looks like iam gonna try a couple lumber yards also to see what i can find to make the casting platform out of . I seen a couple posts on floor underlayment but wasn't sure what i was looking for . I know not to make the template extremely tight so it don't create any hard spots . So if anyone can help me with the questions in the post above , Just want to know iam not doing that will only last a season .
 

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

The DIY stores so far around me have mdf / Aracuo but its slotted siding / Sheathing Plywood PT / Blondewood / Hardwood they have birch and pine . One had a spot for MDO 1 sheet was left and it looked like the forklift had ran it over 10 times .. Looking at plywood for 20 mins , i muttered something to myself and i heard a older gentleman beside me say : couple months ago i seen marine ply at the store in Merritt Island .... I said thanks would call and see . Sure enough get home and call , IN STOCK -- $ 88.00 4 x 8 sheet so its that or hunt for MDO i guess ..........
 

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Welcome to iBoats!
Not sure how I been missing your thread but looks like you'be got a nice project going. I'll try to answere your questions as best I can.

Not sure if i'll need to primer inside also ? I always recommend using the primer recommended by the mfg of the final coat product. This helps to ensure proper adhesion. Primers are formulated to adhere to the substrate and then to chemically bond with the final coat of paint.

The hull needs some repairs also , again not sure if i should just reglass these areas since iam primer and painting or just use a filler . I'd use your own mixed fairing filler. Use a cup of Poly Resin, Heaping tablespoon of Cabosil, and then add Glass bubbles until the mix is the consistency of mayonaise. Then add 1.5% MEKP to the mix and stir for 1 minute. This concoction will fill all major scratches and blemishes and sands like a dream. If you have deep gouges or scratches then a couple of patches of CSM will help beef em up prior to the fairing material.

I glance at the back bilge area and thought wait a min ... i have a drain spot for the plug on back to get water out the boat but NONE on either of the three sides ( for under the floor ) --- The boat is older but there should be one there correct ? Yes I would drill drain holes in these locations.

When i fix the couple areas on the hull and if i choose not to paint i could try to match up the color somewhat close gelcoat wise . Cost wise , looking at the paint your boat for 100.00 , with the sanding , faring , primer and fresh paint would this be better for me to be sure the boat is sealed well ? Gelcoat is much more durable than paint. Having said that, IMHO it is also much more difficult to apply and make to look "Factory". I am not a Pro and I'm sure the Pro's that do Gelcoating for a living might disagree. A properly prepped and painted boat will give you years of service and again IMHO easy to do touch ups and repair. The Glass and resin is what seals the boat.

After the casting deck bracing is in should i use PL where the deck sits on the bracing and the 3/4 lip around the hull ?
This is perfectly acceptable.

Fiqured i set blocks on it to hold it down OR should i screw SS screws thru deck into the braces , then cover the srews heads with a filler ?
You could use SS screws but the PL will hold it all in place. It's done this way all the time.
What mat or cloth should i use after iam done installing the deck ? IMHO you should Use Poly resin and 1 layer of CSM on the Bottom of the decking and then On the top 2 layers of CSM. Will make it much more durable. If you want it to last a long time I'd finish the top side off with a layer of 6oz cloth.

I thought before i seen a post on how to *transfer* the curved area of the trihull to a template ( where it rounded /flat/rounded ) but i could not find that post again . Whats the best way to get this template ? The part circled in blue in the picture. I'd cut 1 1/2" wide strips of cardboard and tape them together to follow the outline. You can then take the taped shape to the plywood to transfer it.

Last one for now is .. In the pic , circled in red . I need to replace these . The wood is solid from the floor up 8 inches or so but near the top the wood is either gone or soft . Fiqured i'd cut them out with the cutting wheel and just replace them . Which cloth or mat do i need to use ? Same method as I described for the Deck


I seen a couple posts on floor underlayment but wasn't sure what i was looking for
Underlayment is plywood used to make the subflooring in homes. Used to lay ceramic tile on and to nail wood floorin to. It uses 100% waterproof glue and usually has very few voids. The Marine Plywood is double what exterior grade should be. Go to a Lumber Yard, NOT one of the DIY stores. They should have some Good Quality Ext. Grade Plywood (use for Roofing) Or they should also have the MDO. Compare the prices and if it's close then I'd use the MG. Your template for the deck should be within 1/2 inch of the sides. Fill the gap with Peanut Butter and make a nice cove so the glass will be easier to make the transition up the sides of the hull.


The valspar paint with hardener can be used for the Exterior and Interior of the boat. You can also use Rustoleum Professional Oil Base with the hardener. You can use any Acrylic Enamel hardener and usually can be obtained at Advanced Auto or Paint stores that sell Acrylic enamel Car Paint.

I think I got em all. Keep posting pics and ?? and we'll all be here to help you.


 

Shallowman

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Thank you so much , i can do this :) Quick question on the CSM , do i need the 1.5 or 2.0 oz ? Again thank you for checking out the post , this weekend will be a good time start .
 

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

OK question on couple of paint things . Was gonna do the Valspar paint but TS here no longer have it . They have Majic brand for tractor and implement which should be fine as i like a few of the colors , And can get the matching hardner for it . They have a reducer also but i'd be doing the roll and roll method so do i need the reducer or use Mineral Spirits or Penetrol ?

The primer they have is this http://www.tractorsupply.com/majic-reg-rust-preventative-sandable-primer-1-gal-gray-1031018 , Or they do have close out on the valspar that woodonglass has in his sig. for paint your boat for under 100 bucks except its red oxide and not primer grey . The other option is the Rustoleum fiberglass primer . Which do i use or will either be fine ?
 

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Use the Majic primer, paint and reducer and hardener. Stay with the same mfg for all of it.
 

Shallowman

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Thank you for the quick reply Woodonglass . the plan is to roll and roll , but before its over i may just move the boat out of the garage and spray the inside on the trailer , then flip the boat and see if i can get it out the trailer upside down and do the same to the bottom . I can't wait to get all the paint done and motor swapped on over to her . Before i do the inside i still have to decide on what to do about the sagging on top of the storage/ livewell box .

Just think when i finish this one for me to use , I have a cajun fish n ski boat that iam working on getting the title for. But oddly the floor was rotten bad but the foam was only lightly damp maybe the thickness of a paper clip ( it had a green foam that looks like something for plants lol ) But a drill test so far show dry stringers and no moist transom. If i get the courage to remove the cap might as well take them out and redo them just to learn . If all works out with the title i'll start a new thread after iam done with this Mitchell . :)
 

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Looking for ideas on how to fix this sagging on this box . Do i need to remove it and build a new one or do just try to do something with the top only ? I 'd perfer not to remove it , as my buget is at about limit now .


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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Could make a couple of stiffeners/braces out of plywood. When clamped in place they would flatten it out and give extra support for the next time it gets sat/stepped on. They would take up a smidge of the storage space in the box though.
 

Shallowman

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Re: My 15 ft Mitchell is due for a little refreshing

Could make a couple of stiffeners/braces out of plywood. When clamped in place they would flatten it out and give extra support for the next time it gets sat/stepped on. They would take up a smidge of the storage space in the box though.


That i can do :) That maybe the best thing to do for now Hoping at first of year i can get a new shallow skiff . This one won't get as shallow as i want but will work for now :)
 
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