need help getting out of hole.

dahcyarg

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1) Performance issue you are trying to correct.
trying to get boat to plane out with friends aboard approx 300-400 lbs more with added weight top speed 13 mph wontget on plane tried having everyone sit in back and in front started with motor trimmed almost all the way in and played with trim a bunch. getting a bunch of splashing up front but wont finally get up on plane. also put a super screamer tube behind with 4 adults 1 kid (1 of adults on tube) and max speed was 12.5 mph. rope seems to drag in water a bunch since i only have transom mounts on either side of engine to attach to and they are only like a foot off the bottom of the boat.
2) Current prop manufacturer, model, aluminum or stainless as a minimum.
-quicksilver aluminum qa2034x 13.75 dia 15 pitch swapped from a stock 17 pitch prop and added a se sport hydrofoil helped a bunch since was not able to plane before with just wife and kid unless in shallow water put se sport hydrofoil on and with stock prop took a bit to plane out but then got up to 30 mph then put 15 pitch prop on and got up in less than a minute and would do top 25 -27
3) Current prop diameter and pitch (required).
4) Wide open throttle RPM and speed with an average load (very helpful)
4800-4900 at 1/4 or so trim 25 mph max mostly 21 ave load 2 adults and 1 kid + gear approx 600 lbs max load 1700 lbs rated
rpm after i fixed the tach which was on the wrong pos now tracks great max motor rpm rated 5250
5) Engine/drive make, model, year, and HP
1997 force by merc 120 hp exlpt
6) Boat make model, year, length and weight
starcraft starship 2000 db 1997 20' weight rated 3000 lbs

I have the shop manual for the motor going through tune-up on engine.
the foil and plate are just even with the bottom of the boat. the engine is at it's highest bolt holes. I replaced all 4 spark plugs and the old ones had normal deposits and some oil on the threads is this normal?
I did find at with the engine off at full throttle position there was still a bit of play with the carb throttle so i tightened up the throttle link. got maybe 1/8" or so of play. Assumed that means that it was not truely at full throttle. after this rpm went up 200 rpm.

I did compression checks on my motor all came back in spec I started timing the engine and at idle it was at 0 degrees is it safe to run the engine more than idle out of the water with a flush rig for a short period of time? was running the boat in the last couple days seemed rough at idle. going to sync carbs at 0 throttle today. how do I tell if I need to replace the fuel pump? sometimes there is a bubble in the inline fuel filter and some times the primer bulb does not get really hard.

should I go to a 4 blade prop to get up on plane with more than min load?
 

blmkso

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

For what it's worth , I had a similar problem and it turned out one of the cylinders was not getting good spark. Check to make sure all wires going to the coils are not rubbing and I cleaned the black wire connectors. I went from 22MPH top speed to 35MPH
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

Like BLM says do a spark check.Then change the fuel pump diaphram.Then all the hoses and the squeezie.Check the tank vent hose for blockage.
There should be an in-line filter between the pump and the carb,replace it.
What was the comp readings?
 

roscoe

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

According to NADA, your boat weighs 2700#. Plus the load inside.
That adds up to a lot of weight.

You didn't tell us what your WOT rpm's are at.

Check for consistent and strong blue spark on all 4 plugs.
 

dahcyarg

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

I forget the compression numbers but remember they were all between 130 and 160 all with in manual specs. wot is 5100 rpm. noticed that the bottom carb at full throttle is maybe 15 degrees over horizontal but when I fixed it at no throttle the top carb was cracked open.
 

roscoe

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

Something is terribly wrong.

2700# plus people and gear is an awful lot of weight.

Could be your hull foam is full of water too, possibly adding hundreds of pounds of extra weight.

I would suggest you get the boat and trailer weighed. You can do it at any truck stop, feed mill, recycling center, or moving company like Graebel.


What is the max hp rating for that boat?

Could be you just need another 100 hp.
 

dahcyarg

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

Max 150 HP the 120 is the original motor should I just look for a used 150 instead of bothering with the 120 if so where would the best place to find one
 

roscoe

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

No, first you need to find out what the problem is.
If the hull floatation is saturated, a new motor isn't gonna fix it.

I am guessing that if you are getting 5100 rpm, that the plugs are all firing and the compression is good.

The boat seems to move when/if you get it on plane, so its not a spun prop.
And your rpm are in the sweet spot recommended range; would require a heck of a prop change to improve your planing, which would put your rpm way too high.

You certainly aren't overloading the boat, so what is slowing it down?

Carburation and timing may contribute slightly, but since you are getting speed and rpm out of the engine, I doubt they are off by much.

Just a hunch, but I really think you are dealing with wet floatation foam.

I would certainly check the foam and weigh the rig, before spending any money on "shot in the dark" solutions.

keep us posted on any new info.
 

dahcyarg

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

I read on thread that said lowering the pitch on the prop UPS rpm 200 per pitch initially I had a 17 pitch and since I've been testing the boat with a 15 max rpm is 5250 on the engine would I get higher than that with the 15 pitch. I did find while twisting the online fuel filter slightly that some fuel came out will be replacing that first. I'll post as I can as I'm on shift work in the navy thank you guys for your help
 

dahcyarg

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

What is the best way to attack wet foam I have a livewell on the bow and just aft of that have a ski locker then an access hole aft of that with the gas tank where is most of the foam and how should I get to it and what foam would not soak up water. I've heard of people just putting in foam sheets from lowes would that even work.
 

roscoe

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

Doubt this is a fuel problem, as you are getting high rpm's.

Dropping down in prop pitch is not likely to overcome this obstacle, and you are already so close to max rpm.

You need to either weigh the boat, or access the foam and check it.

If it is waterlogged, it needs to be removed, which means removing the floor in the boat, finding the source of the water, and replacing the foam.

check the foam before making and decisions.
 

dahcyarg

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Re: need help getting out of hole.

oh no I found water logged foam. I've only had the boat for about a year this stinks. the question is how much of this repair can i do myself? how easy is it to seperate the hull from the deck? how much of the foam do you think i could get to by proping up part of the deck? or is that even possible? thanks for your help.
 
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