need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

nitelife

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Looking at purchasing a 1995 Bayliner Capri 17 foot with a 70 hp Force outboard motor. This would be my first boat. Is this a good first boat? Are there any common issues that I should be looking for? What would be top speed on this boat? The boat comes with a new depth finder, all vest, several gas tanks, and a trailer. The guy is asking $3500 but I think I may be able to get him down to $3000. The boat looks like it is in great shape, no dings or anything. Interior looks great and comes with snap on covers. Does this sound like a good deal? Thanks for your help in advance.
 

triumphrick

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

My .o2c worth. A Bayliner would not make a bad first boat, if it has been serviced regularly and taken care of. However, those models were prone to having some issues. Maybe someone can vouch for a Force motor, but there are a lot better motors out there. I don't know how long you have been looking, but have you tried iboats, BoatTrader or Craigslist.com? It sure helps to have a good feel for what a rig like that is selling for in the marketplace. Only by you shopping for these can you get a better opinion as to the true value. My boat was just purchased off craigslist after I searched for three months. I paid what you are paying, but it is 18'6", has a Yamaha in excellent condition and a 2003 galvanized trailer. By then I knew what was a deal and what wasn't. Also, you really need somone knowledgeable about boats with you. Good luck and welcome aboard! :)

By the way, contact the fellow on the Dockside chat, Wajajaja2 seems as if he has a Bayliner/Force with some problems...
 

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

bayliners were and still are good boats. they had bad neglectful owners, as it was a entry class and priced boat. they force wasn't the best engine on the market, but again packaged with the entry price. here are some tips, for any boat.

Buying a boat

1st you need to decide what you want to use it for, fishing, cruising, or water sports.

2nd how many people adults, children you want on board of the average outing.

3rd outboard, inboard-outboard, or inboard power plant.

4th Budget, what you want to pay, and what you are willing to pay, when you find
Exactly what you want.

You can hire a marine surveyor, to inspect the boat, or you can do it yourself.

You are mainly looking for soft spots in the deck, transom, cracks, all signs of a rotten, under frame. You walk all over the deck, that a mallot, or hammer with wooden handle, using handle, tap all over the transom, a shape rap is good solid base, a thud, is questionable base.

The motor should be clean, no spots where the paint is discolored, or pealing from heat, having run hot. (This part for outboard motors Compression should be atleast 100psi, and within 10% of each other,)
Spark on all cylinders, good pee stream, check lower unit for water in oil.

The overall condition of the boat will tell you a lot, as to how it has been maintained.
boat motor combo, A 30 year old may be in better condition, than a 3 year old.
 

marine4003

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

not a bad choice for a first boat...BUT, make sure your not throwing away 3K, spend an extra 2-3 hundred and have the boat surveyed,then you will find everything wrong with her,your first shouldn't be a hassle & money pit.If the survey doesn't cover the motor then have a reputable mechanic go over it,Dont use your buddy who"knows motors" use a certified Mercury mechanic,(Force is Mercury) spend the money!!!! its better than throwing away 3K.
 

nitelife

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

Thanks for all your help! The guy selling the boat is a friend, so I know he would not purposely rip me off. The boat has been sitting in a garage for the last two years and he said the motor runs great. It looks like it is in good shape for a 1995. He did say it was a 17 foot with a 70 hp motor but nada.com shows no 17 foot with 70 hp. They show a 16 foot with a 70 hp motor though. From looking at nada and from looking through the used boats on craigslist, I'm not so sure its that great of a deal. I will keep looking around and see what I can find. Is there any certain motor brands that I should look for? I like the bayliner style boat, is there any thing else in the $3000 to $4000 range that would be better? I know thats not much money to spend on a boat but its all this college student can afford:(. Again, thanks for the help, its appreciated.
 

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

the Johnson/Evinrudes, mercury, yamaha, suzuki. look around your area, and see which dealer are available for servicing the motor, and getting parts. the force motors are no longer built.
 

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The guy selling the boat is a friend, so I know he would not purposely rip me off.
He may not INTENTIONALLY, but what if you dont do a complete check-thru..and the boat has major issues,is a boat worth a friendship?2 years means alot of things need doing: complete carb clean - water impeller replacement..fluid changes...tune-up..and thats just the motor..if even a minor amount of rot had started..guess what..it gets worse,for the money you might want to look at something thats got a motor there are still dealer available parts for- mercury-Yamaha-evenrude-johnson-and perhaps a boat you can water test prior to purchase,these posts are FILLED with folks who bought boats on a whim without doing there homework & completely checking out the boat prior to purchase...and are now proud owners ...of JUNK.
 

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

Ok, so I understand I do not want a Force motor. So, Johnson/Evinrudes, mercury, yamaha, and suziki are good OB motors to look into. Whats your thoughts on IB? I could be completly wrong, but IB's seem to be basically a car motor, which is great for me considering I was an auto tech for a few years and I have an automotive degree, but I hear they are hard to work on, is this true? The reason I ask is I found another bayliner capri with a Mercruiser 140 for $3800. I also found a 1997 18 Ft. SEASWIRL BOWRIDER with a johnson 115. Motor is a check but are seaswirl boats decent? The price is a little more, but I would rather spend a little more and get what is going to last then to buy something that I will not enjoy because I am always working on it. Here is the link for the Seaswirl - http://www.boatshopper.com/viewfull.asp?ID=2336311&FromSearch=Yes

Sorry for all the questions, but I dont want to go look at these boats if there is no point.
 

tashasdaddy

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the 140 mercuriser would be a slug on the water. the seaswirl w/ 115 would be a great combo. i think price is a little high for an 13 year old. I/O required much more maintenance, try working or a 454, in the space a 4 cylinger should fit. that's an I/O. i will add this for your consideration.

BUYING A USED MOTOR

overall condition, condition of the place you are buying it from, usually tells you how they care for things. compression 100 + psi, and within 10% of each other, good strong blue spark, no water in the lower unit oil. look for discolored paint, (sign of over heat at
one time, also scarred up bolts, as why. have them start it. if they fail to put it in a barrell or tank, or on muffs, or in the water, to start it they don't know what they are doing. best yet is to take it for a 30 min to 1 hour test run. also if remote controlled motor, the controls should come with it.
 

marine4003

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

Questions are good...none of us here were born knowing about boats/engines.....most knowledge came at a $$$$price$$$$.

I/O are a different animal,where the boat may be in great shape,sometimes its harder to determine if an i/o has been properly maintained...first question is how many hours does the motor have on it? 0-500 not bad 500-1000 not good,compared to a car 0-100K & 100Kplus,rebuild at 1000hrs is generally the rule,how does the motor look? is it clean..no visible rust? was it run in salt water or only fresh? salt water is the killer of motors,especially ones that weren't maintained properly,Hows the compression? I/O require alot more maintainance that outboards,But to answer your question...Seaswirl isnt a bad boat,BUT!!!!! Depending on how it was maintained is where the real answer lies with ANY boat your interested in.
 

nitelife

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

So I/O is out the door! The Seaswirl shows $5800 on NADA.com for average price. So as long as it is in good shape I may go for it. I know cars are not selling for there bluebook value due to rising gas prices, is this true with boats???? Are most used boat dealers negotionable with prices? What kind of top speed will this boat have with the 115 hp motor?? A big thanks to everyone for all the help. I am glad I found this forum. I will take all the advice into consideration when I go to look boats now, including paying to have someone knowledgable inspect the boat before purchase.
 

alamosaddles

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

Ok, so I understand I do not want a Force motor.
Sorry for all the questions, but I dont want to go look at these boats if there is no point.

Our first boat was a 1995 Bayliner Trophy, 17ft center console with a force 75 horsepower. I'll tell you that EVERYONE told us the motor sucked and was a piece of crap. I'll also tell you that the 3 years we owned the boat, we never had a single engine related problem. All we did was keep it oiled, change spark plugs and didnt' even have to do the impeller the whole time we had it. Regardless of not having any problems, the fact that everyone told us it was junk, always had me looking at the motor anxiously expecting it to blow up or die out on us. I figure, realistically, if it has been taken care of properly, it's as likely to break as another engine of similar size, age and specs. If you like the boat, have it checked out by a professional and make sure you don't pay too much. Personally, I think Force just get's bad mouthed alot more than it deserves, IMO.
 

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Re: need help, looking to buy 17' bayliner Capri

nitelife,
dont use NADA,there prices are good for newer cars &boats but dont reflect the real value on older craft,its supply & demand,its a good combination 115 /Seaswirl,how much?
 

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nitelife,
dont use NADA,there prices are good for newer cars &boats but dont reflect the real value on older craft,its supply & demand,its a good combination 115 /Seaswirl,how much?

They are asking $5000 for the boat. I asked for more pictures of the boat, but have not received a reply yet. Thanks for the info on NADA.

Thanks for the advice alamosaddles. Its just that I would rather spend the extra money and get one that is a good boat and is in great shape. I am not experienced so I will have someone look the boat over for me.
 

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If that Seaswirl checks out ok I think it looks like a good deal. Nice boat, the full canvas is a big plus. A saltwater boat will need to be checked out VERY carefully.
 
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