need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

rodster

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Sugar in the gas tank can cause what type of motor damage? <br /><br />Please list best to worst case scenario.<br /><br />thanks
 

amtsst

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

If somebody did it to you, I'm sorry and will tell you how you should clean it up.<br /><br />If you're going to do it to somebody else, you can forget it. I won't assist a vandal no matter how much the other guy pissed you off.<br /><br />If you're going to do it to me, wear a kevlar jacket and combat helmet. Also, plan to wear your Reeboks cause if the dog doesn't catch you and rip your leg off at the knee, I'll surely put a hollow-point in you.
 

martyscher

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

I believe that if ingested into the engine, the sugar will melt and coat the piston cylinder walls.<br /><br />You will then have cylinder wall galling and scoring from the buildup.<br /><br />Eventually, the motor will lock-up.<br /><br />Not a pretty sight, I am told.
 

rodster

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

cool down blackwater<br /><br />i 'm personally the victum. so do you have any if information.
 

ob

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

how did you determine sugar was in tank? did you experience failure?see residual? the culprit told you?
 

amtsst

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Sorry that happened buddy. I was joking in part. Your post reminded me of a little turd who posted a few weeks ago. He was laughing about how he watched some rookie sink his boat and didn't help because the guy had been rude or something.<br /><br />This is an outboard, right?<br /><br />OK. I never dealt with sugar before but I can tell you that you can't "run it out" by adding something. You gotta start with your tank and purge it all the way to your intake manifold. Tank, lines, pump, and carbs.<br /><br />If it was me, I'd take the head off and wash each cylinder out good with Rubbing alcohol. Then I'd mist each cyliner with a fogging oil and button it back up.<br /><br />Did you run it with sugar in there or do you just suspect that your tank got sugared?
 

rodster

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

martscher/ob<br /><br />the engine has problems. the pistons cell are scrathced. the mechanic gave me the idea it could be from bad oil, no oil or sugar in the tank. what do you guys think. what would be the outcome difference.<br /><br />rodel
 

chuckybaby

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

Sounds more like an oil problem to me. Sugar dissolves in gas and would remain<br />dissolved as it passes thru the engine so the damage is not due to the granules <br />scratching the bores or rings. Also, unless somebody put several pounds in your tank, <br />the actual amount of sugar in the engine at any one time would be minimal.<br />Sugar is carbon so it should burn in the combustion process and make black smoke. <br />Did you see any ?
 

ob

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sugar will crystalize& cake in the combustion chamber ,not to mention gum up the orifices and ports in carburetor.It's really one of the last things anyone wants in their engine.Thats why some hateful person a long time ago began this dreadful act and it is still a frightful prospect for anyone that owns an engine.I would say that it's probably unlikely yours has had sugar put in it unless you had direct suspicion of it.However the point is the same, the engine will have to be rebuilt regardless of the cause of failure.The most obvious probability is that it was a lubrication problem and or cooling related
 

oldboat1

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

Sugar in the tank is a myth -- in the sense that sugar is alleged to have special properties that ruin an engine. Actually, it's probably better than a substance that won't dissolve (like sand). The only solution is to drain the tank. Having done so, and cleaned the carburetor, running the motor on fresh gas/oil should clean out the motor -- if it was sugar.
 

ob

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

then on a bet,say a guy offers you double of the cost to flush your carbs out I assume you would let him introduce say a half cup of sugar into your motor .After all if you're right you might make a few extra bucks.
 

oldboat1

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

Well, half a cup of granulated anything introduced in the engine would cause some bad things to happen. And even if dissolved, the mix might be a little rich for any of my motors to run right. Let's see, four ounces of sugar to about two gallons of gas would be about 50:1....
 

ob

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

I'll take that as a no I would'nt accept the bet
 

martyscher

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This is a quote from the Cartalk guys - They are never wrong ;) <br /><br />Botom line is to flush out the fuel system from the filter back.<br /><br />Tom: Here's the story, Susan. A lot of people believe that putting sugar in a gas tank will ruin an engine. In fact, that's undoubtedly what you thought when you dumped that 5-pound bag in there (I'm sure he deserved it, Susan). <br /><br />Ray: We know that sugar does not dissolve in gasoline. And there's an old myth that sugar will "caramelize" once it gets into the cylinders and turn your cylinder walls into peanut brittle. But the truth is, it'll never get as far as the engine. <br /><br />Tom: Right. There are several filters between the tank and the engine that are designed to stop exactly this type of contaminant from reaching the engine. There's a "sock" at the end of the pickup tube in the gas tank, and there's a gas filter further up the fuel line. And the sugar will be stopped there. <br /><br />Ray: It will, however, almost certainly plug up the fuel filter and stop the car from running. And, depending upon how much sugar you dumped in there, you might have to replace the fuel filter -- and get stranded -- several times before you clear it all out. <br /><br />Tom: So you really should get the sugar out of there. And the only way to do it is to remove the gas tank, turn it upside down and dump it out.
 

nestegg

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

Ive seen the results of sugar in a gas tank, trust me the sugar passes through the filters and something wierd happens in the cylinder. As a kid I remember my neibour rebuilding an engine on the street after his tank was sugared, the head all arounnd the valves where solid, I don't know whether the sugar crystalized or boiled, but believe me you do not want to deal with yhe problem. The guy was a pro and ended up puttig in a rebuilt engine
 

wallygator36

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

Sugar can be usefull in catching a "Gas Thief"....and it dont take long to find out who it was :p
 

harrison20002

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Rodster; A moderate amount of sugar will not do much damage. if any. Your problem reminds me of a friend who, rather than tuneup his motor other than a new plug once a year, would start his with starting fluid. <br /><br />After four years he couldn't figure out how he had such cylinder wear. He had to have in rebored.<br /><br />I'm not saying that this is your problem, just a thought! Hal
 

Beernutz

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Sugar is little other than carbon. You can pour it down the carbutetor, and all it'll do is create a lot of black smoke.<br /><br />Try an experiment. Pour a half-cup of sugar into a jar of gasoline. Mark the level of the sugar. Shake it up every day for a month. There should be the same level of sugar at the end of the experiment. Sugar doesn't disolve in gasoline. Any of it that got held in suspension should get trapped by filters. Hard to believe that a granule of sugar could get past filters and thru jets or injectors. If it did, it'll just burn. <br /><br />Alcohol in gas could dissolve sugar, and get it thru to the combustion chamber. But, it should only result in a little black smoke. Shouldn't hurt anything.
 

zaneh

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I bought a 69 sattelite from a guy for $100 that had been sugared. It had a 383 Magnum so I figured even if the engine was shot it was still a great deal. Now the facts from 1st hand experience.<br /><br />Sugar does NOT disolve in gasoline. I drained about 10 lbs of still granulated sugar from the tank.<br /><br />The engine would start when cold but would barely turn over when hot. It also blew oil big time.<br /><br />Upon pulling the engine apart if found the wrist pins froze in the pistons from heated/melted sugar. The cylinder walls were worn 17 thousands I believe from the sugar caking and building up in the ring grooves which forced them into the cylinder walls causing a lot of wear. I have no idea how long the guy drove the car before I bought it, but he removed the fuel filter, probabally just to get fuel due to it plugging continuously. <br /><br />Either way it's a bad thing and if you do it to someone else you should be hung or worse!
 

Beernutz

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Re: need quick answer"sugar in gas tank"

Something else (like failing to change the oil for years) caused that damage, most likely before the sugar found the gas tank in order to support an insurance claim.<br /><br />It doesn't happen in the real world.<br /><br />I've rebuilt lotsa motors like the one you describe. It's just sludge from poor maintenance.
 
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