Needs of Americans

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

I back the President 100% in this war we are in along with all our service people.<br /><br />But what about the needs of Americans here at home.<br /><br />We have 1000's of homeless people, some by choice, some not.<br /><br />What are we going to do about all the people that needs help, one way or the other?<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, but it seems that all the attention has been on this war and other things have been put on the back burner so to speak.<br /><br />Anyone that lives in a large city knows what I am talking about here.<br /><br />There are kids going hungry and with out medical attention, and it just makes me sad to think about it.<br /><br />I just wonder if anything is in the works to help out Americans?<br /><br />I know he is pushing a tax cut, but who will that help?<br /><br />Not the homeless or starving.<br /><br />Like I said, I back our president, I voted for him and will vote for him again, but I think some work needs done here at home.

 

[LadyFish]

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This subject really gets my blood boiling. I see so much need in our own country when billions of dollars are going outside the U.S. and at times to countries who hate us.<br /><br />I'm a firm believer in "take care your own first"!<br /><br />I can tell you that in the past two years government programs that do assist the needy have been dramatically cut. Additionally, private non-profits are really hurting due to economics. Foundation money is hard to get and individual and corporate donations near impossible. Nobody seems to have the financial resources they used to have. Many have lost so much money in the stock market they can't afford charitable contributions. Many non-profits have had to close their doors this past year due to the aforementioned reasons.<br /><br />The problem is getting bigger by the day.

 

[12Footer]

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Well his tax cut got cut. They threw that out resoundingly....for now.<br /><br />Needs. We ,as a nation, need health, security, and freedom to persue hapiness.<br /><br />We provide ourselves with the best we can. We allow our flag to be set ablaze by our own countrymen! I don't think I misinterpreted you, just trying to explain what we need in my opinion.<br />And it is those three things.<br />Our government is of us..That means we are it. If it don't werk, it's our fault.<br />Many countries don't werk like that, but we do. SBN, you may be seeing what has allways been there. There has allways been homeless folks, and hungry-looking, dirty kids in wet diapers. And yes, there ARE more of them. There are more every day, and will be more still, as long as thier parents allow this. The parent could place the child up for adoption, but they don't, for reasons only thier own. The state could at least give them three sqaures, a roof, clothes, and a working education, but for various reasons, they are there in the road .<br />There is no answer. WE, the people, do what we can. and there are less of them here than any other country they are allowed to live in. The reason, we take care of them as best we can. And still more find some way of getting here. I wonder why.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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12 footer, I know what you mean.<br />I have seen them in the past 40+ years and they keep growing all the time.<br /><br />The point I was making was that of the Billions and Billions we spend everywhere else, we could spend some here at home to help our people too.<br /><br />I know vietnam vets that are homeless that I have brought into my home and fed.<br />When ask about their military checks, they tell me that they have not gotten a raise in their checks in 10 years.<br /><br />I don't know. Just what they tell me.<br /><br />I feel for all these people.<br /><br />The one's that are to lazy to work in a pie factory, I have no sympathy for.<br /><br />Just the one's that can't kelp themselves, like the children.

 

[LadyFish]

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We really need to have a better system here. I truly think that if there wasn't as much abuse of the system, we'd be better off. But you can't let the fox watch the chicken coop.<br /><br />More often than not the ones who really need it are turned down. But I guarantee you that the person with the authority to grant services, makes sure all his/her "friends and family" qualify. They are usually minimum wage employees themselves.<br /><br />There are no check and balances, I see this abuse every day.

 

[SCO]

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You and I 12'r I think have the exact same take on things. My wife accused me of having a heart of stone te other day because I didn't think a 40 year worker deserved incremental raises. I think I have a big heart, and don't want to waste time on ineffective efforts. It's the individual's job to provide for self and family, not the gov. All the social programs intefere with the individuals ability to do that, creating a larger problem when the individual can no longer bear the burden imposed by personal responsibilities and those imposed by social engineers.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Ladyfish, I see it too.<br /><br />There are a couple that lives down the road from me that both have newer cars.<br /><br />She is a nurse and he works at a steel mill.<br /><br />They were at the store the other day in front of me and had a shopping cart full of food and paid for it with food stamps.<br /><br />Now thats a fleecing of the system if I have ever seen it.

 

[DJ]

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A tax cut, what tax cut? None of the proposed cuts have even taken place.<br /><br />More money in the portfolios of the people that can make investments is going to turn the stagnant economy around. It's been proven it works.<br /><br />People have the decision to live the way they live. I know, and have known, people who are dirt poor, yet they are clean and wouldn't accept a hand out-from anyone.<br /><br />The government doesn't owe anyone anything except-protection from enemies, both foreign and domestic.

 

[LadyFish]

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SBN, I run a private non-profit. One day a lady came in with her 3 year old son, she had a Luis Vitton purse, the kiddo was wearing Osh Kosh by gosh and she had enough gold jewlery on to qualify for a Mr. T starter set. I turned her down, she said "You have to help me, I have all the right papers". I quickly told her I did not have to help (only government funded agencies HAVE to help)and she needed to get her financial priorities stright. As she stormed off and yelled cuss words at me, I follwed her out as she drove away in a Lexus.<br /><br />She reported me to my State office. They sided with me of course.<br /><br />Djohns, I really think we sould help out until people get back on their feet. Job training including training on professional skills should be a part of the program.<br /><br />I also think if minimum wage was increased, people would have more incentive to go back to work. Right now, they can't afford to go back to work. The coast of day care, and housing can't possibly be covered by the current minimum wage. They make more money staying home and living off the government.

 

[JRJ]

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I agree that the system isn't perfect, but I'm glad I don't have to decide who gets what. Some deadbeats drink, smoke, dope, money that is provided to them to care for their, his, her children who are hungry, cold, and left to fend for themselves. Can we help the kids? yes, to a point. Can we motivate their parents? Odds are against, from what I see daily.

 

[LadyFish]

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Some deadbeats drink, smoke, dope, money that is provided to them to care for their, his, her children who are hungry, cold, and left to fend for themselves.

JRJ, that is so true. Exactly why the system needs revamping. Not many of those get by me without first referring them to a rehab office. When they get straight, I can help but not until. Now if we just had a test they had to pass in order for them to be able reproduce, we'd be all set.<br /><br />

 

[JRJ]

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A test? maybe even positive prevention? It isn't going to happen, and we really don't want that kind of control. Freedom is what we are living and dying for. Principals, values, pride, education, moral and legal laws? Works for most of us. Still no answer.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Well one good thing they did a few years back was cut down the number of kids you could have on welfare from, all you could stand to 2.

 

[LadyFish]

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Just a joke JRJ, that why I added the emoticon.

 

[JRJ]

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SBN, that sounds reasonable by golly. No bonus for high production.

 

[JRJ]

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Oh, humor!! Gotcha LadyFish

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Don't know if it was nationwide, but it is here in Ky.

 

[JRJ]

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Tell you the truth SBN, I don't know what it is here. I imagine the more dependents you have, the more you get. None of us is opposed to helping folks out, but this welfare thing is THE JOB to a lot of people. Too bad. <br />I won't even go into professinal protesters. We have a bunch here. You name it, they're against it, and have all the time in the world to protest it. Got to be careful, my soap box is starting to sag

 

[neumanns]

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If we took all the money in the U.S. and diveied it up equally amongst all the people I would wager that in 120 days 99.5%would be in the same boat they are in now.<br /><br /> Maybe I am to harsh but if my family is hungary, cold, etc.I would be outthere doing anything that others would not Lower themselfs to do to change it. <br /><br />All we hear about is how the unemployed do not have the skills to find work, since when does it take skills to shovel ***T or gut chickens,Many of these jobs are going to imigrants because they are willing to do the work that welfare recipients would turn down. <br /><br />"I cant survive on minimum wage" When was the last time you tried? ...Sure the fare may not be fancy and the accomidations may be less than desirable, But since when are we entitaled to Fancy meals and new homes. <br /><br />I could go on and on but better not, I do have compasion for someone who cannot help themselves, or is genuinley trying But I have none for someone who chooses not to.

 

[SCO]

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"Some deadbeats drink, smoke, dope, money that is provided to them to care for their, his, her children who are hungry, cold, and left to fend for themselves." the reason this is so is because the capability to survive without work has been provided for thse people. Delete the incentives for not working. The problems now are much greater than when first ramping up big time with Johnsons great society in the 60's.