Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

Mark42

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I'm getting to the point with my home network that I want to add hard drive space that is on all the time and accessable from any machine on the network.

My needs are:

- Disk space for shared home video and photos.
- Disk space to backup up the video and photos onto a physically separate hard drive.
- Looking at hard drives in the 250 Gig size. (probably Western Digital).
- On 24/7.
- Does not have to be cutting edge fast.
- Does have to be reliable.
- Should be low power consumption.

Some PC's are hard wired at 100Mpbs, the others are wireless at 54Mbps.

I saw the NAT drive cases and they sound good, but I really don't know anything about them except for what I read on the manufactures websites.

I have some older slow PC's that I could slap some drives in and use as is, but not a very elegant solution.

Started looking at Windows 2000 Server software but not sure if it will run on my 350mhz old Dell machine.

Any suggestions?

 

ndemge

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Re: Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

NAS is a nice option because you can usually set security and permissions on it just like a pc, and it's a lot easier than keeping a server running.

Usually you have a raid setup for data reliability. Also.... you can keep it up in a closet somewhere. If someone robs your house, it may not be taken and your data is still secure.

Personally, I have an old 333mhz running 2k pro right now as my house file server. No raid setup, I have to rely on old fasion backups of my data

Mark... shoot me a pm if you want some info on 2kserver..... wink wink nudge nudge.
 

i386

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Re: Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

NAS is fine for home use. I would also recommend mirrored drives in it.
 

Mark42

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Re: Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

ndemge, you got a private message.

 

18rabbit

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I have limited experience with this sort of thing but based on that and what I have learned I would build my own box based on an Intel board with matrix-RAID capability. That stuff rocks!

I also recommend putting a little more priority on drive speed and access times. You’re thinking of a place to toss shared files now…but we have networked home entertainment creeping up our backsides and most of us aren’t even aware of it. That is the way video is going, audio (MP3s) are already there. In addition to having a big space for shared files, etc, once you get all of those HDDs in a box you can use it as a digital video recorder to replace everything your Tivo and VRC are doing. Might as well have hardware that will support whatever entrainment distribution the family ventures into in the next few years, or sooner. If you want to add a few security cameras around the house, no problem. If you have a wi-fi network in your home you can add wi-fi security cams without the hassles of wire.

Yup, we’ve found lots of uses for all those HDDs once we tossed them into a box. What concerns me know is how to back up everything. No kidding, how do you back up 1000’s of gigbytes?
 

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Re: Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

You back up leasted used files onto Blue Ray
 

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Re: Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

18rabbit

I'm probably going to add another PC to the system just for the purpose of acting like a server. Probably add a new high end video card (ATI?) with HDTV output and put the unit into the soon-to-be-built media center in my family room.

It won't need a monitor, it can be managed from another PC with remote desktop.

 

Mark42

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Tommays,

Thanks for that link! I found exactly the piece of hardware that I had envisioned but was not able to find! Woo Hoo!

This little baby connects to the lan with a 100mbps ethernet connetion, or go wireless. Then it allows you to navagate through your system on the screen using a remote. WOW! Exactly what I was thinking would be the ultimate digital video/photo interface to the hi def tv screen. What a kick! Video, Audio, Photos, Streaming Radio everything you currently get on your PC unleashed to your hi def TV screen/media center with menu and remote!

The review lists some flaws and drawbacks to this particular brand, but now that I know what these babies are called (Digital Media Adapters) I can focus my research on the one that fits my needs.

Check out the product review :
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2006/10/18/netgear_eva700_digital_entertainer_review/

I think I wet my pants. . . .
 

18rabbit

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Re: Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

Mark, get something that can display on a big screen tv like that and surfing porn is going to seem new again.
:)

I put together a pc based system for use with security video cameras but even a cheap motherboard was virtually wasted so I stuffed a bunch of HDDs in the box and intend to use it as the heart of a media system, too. Intel’s newer 945 graphics motherboards are to die for and come with 5 or 7 channel surround sound embedded on it. And fwiw, I do NOT have a video card in the system. Not needed since those Intel mb’s support video overlay functions. The onboard graphics capability is keep up with most application but not extreme gaming.

One of the things you will discover is the value of what they call silent computing. When you get a bunch of pc’s running the sound becomes an issue. If you have the pc in an entertainment cabinet (I’m going rack mounted for cooling) you are going to want it quiet, also. System fans, CPU fans, chipset fans, video card coolers, and case chillers…you have a learning curve ahead of you.

I suggest passing on any consideration of a micro-AT footprint system. They are cute and fast but cooling is an issue, especially so with video intensive applications.

Something to think about is that since so much of the application specific functions are offloaded to accessory hardware the motherboard is freed up. Toss a couple GB of RAM in it, push a bunch of HDDs in there and a single PC cabinet and motherboard can easily multi task a crap load of stuff today that would have taken more than two pc’s just a few years ago. It’s also easier on networking issue…where I am still having the most trouble.
 

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Re: Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

netgear makes a 2 drive NAS for $99 thats great not the quickes thing ever but it will hold any 2 drives that are in the EIDE format ive currently got 2 500gig WD drives in it. It takes about 30min to transfer 7 gigs over a 100mb network. But i love it.. small easy quiet cheap
 

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Quick update. Ended up going with a real server over a NAS (network attached Storage) box because the NAS just could not put out the KB/ps that a server can without spending twice the price of a server.

This is my build as of Feb, 2011:

Put together a server based on some specs I found on various Server websites. This is as performance oriented as I could get for the (low) budget of the project. The hardware ran a about $300, plus another $100 for the Windows Home Server o/s. Total order including $21 shipping was $432. Everything was ordered from directron.com.

- One OEM copy of WHS Power Pack 3.

- Case: Black. Broadway Com Corp 943 Steel m-ATX , w/ 500W PSU and Card Reader, P/N: 943PK-CardRead

- CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz 4000MHz Socket AM3 Dual-Core 45nm Processor ADX250OCGMBOX, Retail Box (with heat sink , grease & fan)

- Motherboard: ASUS M4N68T-M V2 Socket AM3 uATX Motherboard, NVIDIA nForce 630a Chipset, Supports AMD Socket AM3 CPUs, Dual DDR3 1800(O.C.), SATA 3Gb/s RAID, PCIe 2.0 x16, Onboard Video and Sound, Gigabit LAN

- Memory: Kingston ValueRAM 2GB DDR3 1333 System Memory, 240-pin DIMM, CL9, Non-ECC, Unbuffered. Model: KVR1333D3N9/2G

- HDD:Two Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 3.5in 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive HDS721010CLA332 (0F10383), 7200RPM, 32MB Cache. OEM

- Additional Cooling: Two Masscool 120mm Case Fans, Ball bearing, 3 / 4 Pin, Wire Coating, Model: FD12025B1L34. (One blows out the side of case, the other draws across the HDD's and blows out the case front.)

- Cables: IDE (round), SATA, (for future drives) Molex to SATA power adapters(PSU only had one SATA power connector, the rest are molex).

- Optical Drive: Spare DVD burner salvaged from another PC. (free)

It was an easy build, the case is really nice, although very light weight (didn't know steel could be rolled that thin!), but that is what I wanted; small and light. No sharp edges, space for 6 HDD, plus more if the 5.25" bays are used. The only problem I ran into was the Asus driver disk auto install program would not run because it said WHS was not supported. So I just ran each individual install program by itself. Everything loaded up fine. The DVD drive was connected to the IDE port, and the two 1TB drives were each connected to a SATA port. The MB supports 10 USB2 connections. So there are plenty of USB ports on the back and on the front, plus a few pin heads if I want to add more. The USB's on the front will come in handy for connecting external drives.

The 3.0 dual core AMD is probably overkill, and the machine just loafs along. Have never heard the CPU fan run up due to load, its always running a low speed. I run the case fans at 5V to keep the speed and therefore the noise down, but those big fans still move a lot of air. Added some 3/8" sound deadener to the inside of the side panel, bottom and top of the case. The server is now practically silent, which is important because the server is in the guest bedroom. The fan in the power supply was replaced because it rivaled the DB ratings of a 747 Jumbo Jet on takeoff. I guess the server does not pull many amps, because the power supply is always blowing just slightly warm air.

Added the following free software addins that help manage the machine, or at least give more info on what is going on:

- Advanced Admin Console: WHSAdminInstaller052.msi
- Duplicate File Info: DuplicationInfo-1.2.0.0.msi
- DVD Manager: DVD Manager.msi

Also plan on adding the following purchase addins:
- Remote Notification: Receive email notification of problems with the server.
- Disk Management for WHS: designed for users who need more detail about their server's storage status than what the standard Server Storage interface provides.

So far the server runs just as it should. Never seems to be under stress, data is retrieved as fast as its needed. High bandwidth files like 1080p HD MOV files play on the wire perfectly using Nikon software (requires Quicktime to be installed too). Never had to reset or reboot due to errors, crash, freezing, etc. The server priority was a fairly low budget build with emphasis on big busses and Terabyte high speed drives.

After loading up the server with home video from DV camcorders, photos, and music, a good quality Media Player was added to the system to complete the whole project. Took a few weeks to copy 40+ DV video tapes from the camcorder to the server. Roxio was used to capture and convert the DV tape to MPEG2 format to save space over the default AVI. Space savings is about 3:1 AVI:MPEG. Higher ratio compression MPEG encoders are available, but the picture quality degrades accordingly. The Roxio product (video wave 8) worked the BEST of the capture and encode products I tried. Seperate capture with seperate secondary encoding processes are reported to be even better, but they turn a 1 hour capture into 3-6 hours per DV tape.

I chose the WD TV Live Plus media player because of its consistent high reviews. Once connected and configured properly with my network, it plays the 1 hour plus long home videos perfectly. The media player input to the 47" Vizio LCD TV via HDMI cable looks BETTER than the video would play on the LCD desk top screens. Amazing. I have to admit that this low cost (about $89 at amazon) kicks some butt.

So that completes my Server, Home Network, Media Player project. It is worth the few extra bucks to buy quality components, and I strongly suggest getting Windows Home Server Power Pack 3 over the soon to be released Windows Home Server 2011. 2011 is a new animal, and got horrible reviews across the board. Not for what it does, but for what the took out. It is now more of an office server product, and doesn't mirror data on unique drives to preserve all your data in case of a drive crash.

And the 3.0Ghz dual core processor is serious over-kill on this project. An even lower cost processor will probably do just as well, but it will run hotter. JMHO.

Regards,

Mark.
 

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Re: Network Attached Storage (NAT) vs Server for SOHO

Will my PS3 with the 350 gig come close to what you put together, I has got a fairly good media package, and I can do some net surfin if required.
 
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