Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon

yagersmom

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My husband asks:

When starting the engine with the transmission in neutral, does the neutral safety switch remain open (disconnected) or closed to allow power to flow through it? I am receiving conflicting information via other sources.

Basically, the boat won't turn over. I just replaced the battery, cables, starter and cellenoid, and fuses & circuit breakers have been checked. I'm thinking it's got to be the neutral safety switch or the assist relay as these are the only remaining components.

I'm trobleshooting here, trying to avoid spending a ton of money. I just bought the boat used from a reputable source - my first boat. I would appreciate some advice. Thanks.

Andrew
 

Don S

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Re: Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon

[colour=Blue]Time to stop throwing parts at it till you find what the problem is.
Here is a copy of a post I did about a year ago. Have no idea where it is now that this new software is up and running, and the search function doesn't work yet.[/colour]


So you hit the ignition switch so you can go home and either nothing happens, or you here a click from the engine, but the starter doesn't crank......... Now what ???
If you have a test light, you can find out in only a few minutes what the problem is. I like test lights because they are faster and easier to use than a meter. A meter will work fine for all the tests.

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We will start by assuming you have a good battery, clean tight connections with good battery cables of the proper size.
So, where do you start looking for your no start condition? That depends on what you hear. If you DO NOT hear a click, we will start at the ignition switch, if you hear a click, we will head for the engine compartment.
Let's say we have no click, and the shifter is in the neutral position and we have already tried wiggling the lever to be sure it's in neutral.
Grab your test light and head for the back of the instrument panel. Hook the clip to a good ground (usually on the fuse panel).
Now, touch the light to the B terminal on the ignition switch ( big red or red/purple wire) the test light should light. Now move the test light to the S terminal with the yellow/red wire and have someone turn the key to the start position. The test light should light, if not, you need a new ignition switch.
Let's say it lit up, so the switch is good. While the problem could be the neutral safety switch, it's a real pain to get to in order to test it. So let's check to see if we have power going through the neutral safety switch.

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Time to head for the engine compartment.
Now, locate the slave solenoid on the engine. Notice the 4 wires to it?

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Hook up your test light again with the clip on a good ground. Now touch terminal C of the slave solenoid with your test light and have your helper turn the key to the start position again. The light should light up? If it did, touch your test light on terminal A, if it lights, hook your test light lead to it, and put the probe on terminal D (the ground) if it doesn't light, then you have a bad ground for the slave solenoid and without that ground the slave solenoid will not work.
If the test light did not light up, then the problem is 1 of 3 things either the connection at the main engine harness plug is bad, or you have a bad neutral safety switch or a bad connection between the ignition switch and the slave solenoid.
If you are at home, this isn't a problem and you can track the problem down. But if you are out on the water what can you do???? Simple. Use a test lead on the slave solenoid to jump between terminals A and B or A and C and the engine will crank. Make sure the ignition switch is in the run position and the engine will start.

Ok, lets say when you hit the switch you hear a click from the engine, but no cranking of the starter. Now what do you check.
Simple, back to the slave solenoid on the engine. Hook up your test light clip to a good ground and touch the tip to terminal A, if it lights, touch it to terminal B and have your helper hit the starter switch again. If you hear a click and the light does not come on, then the problem is a bad slave solenoid. If you are out and need to start the engine, you can disconnect the wires from terminals B and C and hook them together and you will be able to bypass the slave solenoid all together and it should work. If not, due to long wire runs, just jump between terminals A and B to crank the engine over.
If the light does come on, move on to the starter solenoid itself.

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Touch terminal B on the starter solenoid itself, if the test light lights up, then you have a problem with the starter itself. Time to pull the starter and have it tested, repaired or replaced. If you are out on the water, you may be able to tap the solenoid (Gently, don't want to break things) while holding the switch to the start position and see if it will work. If not, you need a tow.

One other thing to keep in mind when checking with a test light or a meter either one. Check the terminal of the unit itself and also check the wire at the terminal. A corroded or loose wire end could also be the problem.

While this may sound like a lot of work, it only takes a few minutes to check things out.

These pictures are all from Mercruiser, mostly because they are available. OMC works the same, although their slave solenoid is a different kind, Volvo uses a relay instead of a solenoid, but again, it works the same way.
 

yagersmom

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Re: Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon


Wow! Well, now we see why you're an Admiral! I just read this to my hubby. He was soooooo impressed. This is more than we've been able to get from even they guys wanting to impose labor charges for their time here in the Sacramento, CA area. We've printed your post and my husband just took it out to our 100-degree garage (well, OK, the garage is shaded so it may only be about 90 degrees in there). He's been sweating it out (literally) all day so far and just got back from town where he picked up a starter assist solenoid relay. He found that the other was not working properly. Between that and your help, we'll see what happens.

As an aside and between you and me. . . I want to thank you for telling my husband to relax a little on the guessing of parts and possible problems. While he's very intelligent and mechanically competent, I sometimes wonder if he's not going to take more time and spend more money by trying new things than he would have if he'd just paid a pro. Funny how from you he didn't take it as "nagging." How do you rate?

Anyway, you're the man! Thanks, again.

Yagersmom
PS: That's Yager in the boat to the left!
 

yagersmom

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Re: Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon

OK, Admiral Don. . . I'm back. Well, my husband just installed the new relay and went through each of your steps. he said that everything checked out as working properly. Guess what! The boat still won't turn over. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Any suggestions now? I hate to bug you with this since it's turning out to be a real pain but you've given us the most help so far. We sincerely appreciate it. I'll await your reply. Thanks, again.

Yagersmom
 

Don S

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Re: Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon

Well, lets get down to some basics. What engine and drive combination and what year?

Will the engine turn over by hand?

Is the starter clicking or is there a hard clunk?
 

yagersmom

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Re: Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon

Don! Hello! Good news! Looks like my husband just figured it out. Pardon my lack of knowledge of the proper terminology, but it looks like he had replaced the worng solenoid. Turns out the one he thought was not functioning properly was actually OK. The buzzing he heard had something to do with the oil pump? But the same part does a couple of different things? I don't know. But he removed another of the solenoids and was able to try the new one in its place (I guess they're basically the same but one is configured a little differently and bolts on?). Anyway, she started right up! So, he's now on his way back to town to grad the right part. He has every confidence that once he puts it in, we'll be good to go. Make sense?

I'll keep you posted. You've been wonderful. He's had your notes right with him all day. Anything we can do to return the favor? I can't imagine you sit around all weekend helping goofballs like us for the fun of it. . .

Yagersmom
 

Don S

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Re: Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon

So, he's now on his way back to town to grad the right part. He has every confidence that once he puts it in, we'll be good to go. Make sense?

It doesn't make any sense to me. Still don't know what type engine you have, let alone what was buzzing, or why the start had anthing to do with what was buzzing.
 

bamadave

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Re: Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon

Buzzing sounds like the electric fuel pump maybe, Don.
Hope your hubby had the engine connected to the muffs(water hose connector for the lower unit) when he started it? Or instantly shut off engine?
But Congrats, wish all posts had this out come this fast. And yes Don S is a valuable person here as he is one of the more knowledgable gerus here, under paid, and over worked to help keep our boats going.
 

Don S

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Re: Neutral Safety Switch - 1998 Four Winns Horizon

Buzzing sounds like the electric fuel pump maybe, Don.
Not necessarily. Depending on the make, you may not be able to hear the pump with just the key on.

No info on make and model, no accurate answers.
Some times you get lucky when throwing parts and money at things....... But not always.
 
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