new 50hp Yamaha 2 stroke low rpm gremlin

seemonkey

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Hello,

I have a out of the box new 50hp yamaha. It might be a dealership left over, so maybe a couple years old but I've run less than 50 hours on it (all salt water), and only had it about 6 months. There are other people who use the motor so without guessing and speculation I can't give a very good history.

The Problem
Yesterday: it stalled on someone else and wouldn't restart (I think they were low on gas or forgot the open the gas vent on tank and vapor locked, again specualation)
I pulled the boat out of the water last night and put a new tank of gas on it and she started right up. I also found a piece of throttle linkage detached going to a plastic box to the starbord side of the head/carb. I think they disconnected it thinking it was the start in neutral switch (which it might be)

Today: we were feeling brave so we decided to go ashore for lunch. The engine starts right up and idles perfect. But when given throttle it feels like the 2,000 rpm restrictor is on. It feels restricted right from startup. No alarms are buzzing and the head doesn't feel super hot, so we head for shore. We putput around a bit like this and at some point the alarm does go off, so we stop and turn off motor for a few minutes. It fires back up and does the same thing with the low idle but no alarm. So I stop at a yamaha dealership for lunch and they tell me it's probably a bad impellor or thermostat, so I buy both. I replace the thermostat at the dock before heading back, I also top of the oil injector tank which was about 1/2 full. About 15 minutes after replacing the thermostat the motor just kicks back to life and gives me full throttle.

Now I can't figure out why it would start running 15 minutes after leaving the dock if it was a bad thermostat. Are there sensors on the downstream side of the thermostat maybe? The whole time the motor has had a steady stream coming from the water discharge hole in the back of the case, but the stream from the hose for the water pressure gauge on the front (which is just hanging open) seems weak and inconsistent.

Also I was wondering if the water discharge hole in the back should pee water if I am hooked up to the hose and have the ear muffs on the intake? I can't get water to come out the discharge just using the hose. Do i have to wait for the thermostat to open before it flows? I don't run it with the hose for more than 30 seconds because the lack of water discharge doesn't sit well with me even if the alarm isn't going off.
 
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deejaycee_2000

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Re: new 50hp Yamaha 2 stroke low idle gremlins

Re: new 50hp Yamaha 2 stroke low idle gremlins

running the motor on muffs, does give a very weak flow of water , but not to worry about that, you have to run your motor for at least 5 minutes to flush out the sea water .......
 

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Re: new 50hp Yamaha 2 stroke low rpm gremlins

Re: new 50hp Yamaha 2 stroke low rpm gremlins

5 minutes seems like a long time. I don't get a weak stream from the muffs, I get no stream but I'll try it out. I guess at worst the overheat alarm will go off and I can shut it down. Do you think I should be worried about weak inconsistent stream coming from the water pressure gauge hose? I'm thinking I should just replace the impeller just to be sure.
 

deejaycee_2000

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Re: new 50hp Yamaha 2 stroke low rpm gremlins

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no stream? ok wait in that case don't run it, I thought you getting a weak one, cause that is normal .... you connecting the muffs correctly? Hose open to full? I also think you should replace the impellar .....
 

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Re: new 50hp Yamaha 2 stroke low rpm gremlin

As far as I can tell I'm hooking everything up right, I'm putting muffs over the inlets on the lower unit that have the plastic screens over them, seems I've done it that way before on other outboards and it's worked. It get's a stream when it's in the water just not with the muffs. The owners manual is pretty vague about running with a hose connected, maybe there's something I'm overlooking. Or mabye I just don't have enough water pressure. I was thinking of trying to rig up some kind of bucket under the motor and flush it that way. I have the new impellar just haven't installed it yet. Seems to be made out of rubber, you'd think it would be something a little more durable.
 

deejaycee_2000

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Re: new 50hp Yamaha 2 stroke low rpm gremlin

it needs to be rubber as it fits tightly in the water pump casing (you will see why when you change it) ... well change the impeller anyway (make sure you fit the new one as the old is at the moment) then see how it does on the muffs ....
 
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