New bearings and seals in upper, shimming thoughts

[flipbro]

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Yes i totally get it! Next is after all the reading ive done here ive come to realize not much good said about the seloc manual. (Its the one i have) Ive found A mercruiser manual#6 on ebay 9 bucks. Should i pop on this? Is this the manual i need to get the proper procedures? And also when preforming the rolling torque is it possible to do this with a 1\4 inch drive 0-60 inch pound beam style torque wrench? As i do own 1 of good quality if not i will purchase the dial torque indicator. Not a big deal if i have to buy it to do the job properly just dont see why the other wont work just as well!

 

[bspeth]

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get the FSM,they are great!

 

[Bondo]

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Yes i totally get it! Next is after all the reading ive done here ive come to realize not much good said about the seloc manual. (Its the one i have) Ive found A mercruiser manual#6 on ebay 9 bucks. Should i pop on this? Is this the manual i need to get the proper procedures? And also when preforming the rolling torque is it possible to do this with a 1\4 inch drive 0-60 inch pound beam style torque wrench? As i do own 1 of good quality if not i will purchase the dial torque indicator. Not a big deal if i have to buy it to do the job properly just dont see why the other wont work just as well!

Ayuh,.... You can download the Factory manuals, for Free in Don'S Adults Only section, just follow the Mercruiser links,...

 

[flipbro]

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Yep I seen them in the adults only. Just thought I would be better off with the manual as I don't have a printer and for 9 bucks aslong as its the write one

 

[flipbro]

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Ordered the manual along with upper and lower seal kits from serria all for 59 bucks of eBay just a trip over the bridge

 

[achris]

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.... And also when preforming the rolling torque is it possible to do this with a 1\4 inch drive 0-60 inch pound beam style torque wrench? As i do own 1 of good quality if not i will purchase the dial torque indicator. Not a big deal if i have to buy it to do the job properly just dont see why the other wont work just as well!

As long as you can read the rolling torque then that should be ok.

 

[CaptainRMF]

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Hey flipbro. In the process of resealing my upper and lower too. Most of the job isn't that bad but you def. gotta have the Merc Manual. The #6 covers from '83 - '90. Well worth the $9, great deal. As far as using the 0- 60 in/lb beam torque wrench, don't think it's gonna be as accurate as the dial type. I tested the click type and the beam type just for the heck of it and not worth blowing up the gears. I looked online for 4 weeks for a dial one from $150 on up. Found a brand new Proto Dial Torque Wrench for $100 plus shipping on E-Bay. Came to $115. Got it yesterday and checked rolling torque before I disassembled the bearings and this thing is dead on. Reads from 1 in/lb to 75 in/lbs in 1 in/lb incriments. Just sayin. Good luck. Richy

 

[flipbro]

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Thanks richy! I'm also on eBay looking. I'm also looking at the exact same torque wrench the proto seems like a good price. But am in a bidding war for a snap on at the moment. If I don't win Ian going to pop on the proto now that I've heard it's worth it. Thanks

 

[achris]

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Another brand to look at is Seekonk. I have the 150in-lb, but I'm looking at buying the 30in-lb for the better resolution.

Chris...

 

[flipbro]

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The snap on one I'm bidding on is 0 to 30 in pounds. I also thaught it would be a nice one!

 

[jimbo_jwc]

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The company was founded by Henry Timken in St. Louis in 1899 and incorporated as The Timken Roller Bearing Axle Company.

Fersa 1968 and with more profit for Canadian Bearing in resale of this better taper ???????????? Lowes Husky saws aren't the same as Huky dealer saws . Had to add as I work for the new split Timken Steel Co. as investors can make more on brgs .The husky discovery was from both crank ball brgs not having a cage in them and are made to sell at big store price .

So Talked to a guy at Canadian bearing today and he crossed my timkins bearings numbers with Fersa they Are about 110 bucks for all four with races! He told me they are a better quality bearing then timkins. Any one heard of them from what I read they supply a lot of oem parts.

 

[achris]

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The company was founded by Henry Timken in St. Louis in 1899 and incorporated as The Timken Roller Bearing Axle Company.

Fersa 1968 and with more profit for Canadian Bearing in resale of this better taper ???????????? Lowes Husky saws aren't the same as Huky dealer saws . Had to add as I work for the new split Timken Steel Co. as investors can make more on brgs .The husky discovery was from both crank ball brgs not having a cage in them and are made to sell at big store price .

I guess this is another case of 'you get what you pay for'. Personally, I'd go with the Timken bearings. A cheap bearing is just that, a cheap bearing. And do you really want to put many hundreds of dollars worth of gears at risk by 'saving' a few dollars?

For me the equation is not about the price, it's about value for money. Many times I have bought the most expensive item (of a group). Not because it's the most expensive, but because in the long run, it's actually the cheapest.

Chris........

 

[flipbro]

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Thats what i was trying to find out is fersa really that cheap of a bearing or are they just priced fair lol? I know timkins are tried and true I get that! I will likly go with timkins as they are what i pulled out and only 40 bucks more Just thought id throw it out there and see if any of the pros are useing the fersa or heard of them! I dont beliave they are that cheap of a bearing they are a company out of spain google it lol . Thanks

 

[flipbro]

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So I was on eBay this am a bought a complete gear set with bearing(timkins) and shims listed as NEW OLD STOCK part#43-18411a4. So my question is this an oem number or after market? I got the kit for 199.99 with free shipping

 

[JustJason]

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And also when preforming the rolling torque is it possible to do this with a 1\4 inch drive 0-60 inch pound beam style torque wrench?

You can't check rolling torque with a beam torque wrench. When checking rolling torque, your going to set the nut to where you think it should be, this preloads the bearings, then spin the bearing assembly 4 or 5 times to make sure it feels slick and gets things rolling. Then, zero out your dial torque wrench, then put that on the nut and spin that 2 or 3 times at a speed that the 2 or 3 revolutions would take 3 or 4 seconds to do. Your not spinning fast, but your not spinning slow either. Just a gentle spin a couple of revolutions over. Then you read the dial. If you spin it to fast, your not going to get an accurate reading.

If you were to try this with a beam wrench, not only would you have to come up with some solution of balancing the handles pivot pin in order to keep the wrench accurate. You would also have to read the beam at the same time while its spinning. That's like rubbing your head, and patting your belly, and cutting your toenails, and talking all on the phone at the same time, all while trying to count the blades on a spinning ceiling fan. In other words, you can't do it. Even on the "handle-less" beam wrenches, the indicator does not have a tell tale indicator on it.

Also, while checking rolling torque use a light oil on the bearings first. WD40 is fine. Do not use heavy gear oil or grease for this, it will throw off the measurement. Remember, what you are measuring is how tight the rollers of a tapered roller bearing is pressing up against the bearings race. That is what you are actually measuring, is that "fit" between those 2 parts. . If they are rolling to tight, the rollers grind and develop flat spots, which grenades the bearing. And if they are to loose, the rollers end up vibrating under load. They chatter, and will either hammer flatspots into the rollers again, or simply shatter and fly apart. Neither of which you want to have happen.

 

[achris]

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So I was on eBay this am a bought a complete gear set with bearing(timkins) and shims listed as NEW OLD STOCK part#43-18411a4. So my question is this an oem number or after market? I got the kit for 199.99 with free shipping

The number is a Merc number, and if bought from Merc they will be genuine, but the Merc price for that kit is over $700, so if you only paid $200, then I suspect (strongly) that it's a kit of non-genuine parts.

Have a link to the kit of fleabay?

Chris....

 

[fishrdan]

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If you were to try this with a beam wrench, not only would you have to come up with some solution of balancing the handles pivot pin in order to keep the wrench accurate. You would also have to read the beam at the same time while its spinning. That's like rubbing your head, and patting your belly, and cutting your toenails, and talking all on the phone at the same time, all while trying to count the blades on a spinning ceiling fan.

I found an easy way to do that... Place blue masking tape on the bar torque wrench's scale, at the min and max torque settings, then spin the torque wrench to see where the pointer is landing within the min-max settings, (or if it's too high or low). The masking tape blocks out a small section of the scale so it's easy to read, even with the torque wrench spinning around.

 

[flipbro]

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Chris im not sure how to send the link. Computeres not my thing. i can ask the wife to latter! as for the parts it did addvertise 70% off regular price 667 98! And it says made in usa on box merc #

 

[achris]

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Chris im not sure how to send the link. Computeres not my thing. i can ask the wife to latter! as for the parts it did addvertise 70% off regular price 667 98! And it says made in usa on box merc #

Go to the page on ebay where it is, highlight the address (the bit that starts with 'www.ebay.com......') and right click on it. A box should drop down with an option 'Copy'. Click 'Copy'... Come to iboats and paste it in a reply to thread... (Paste can be done by right clicking and then clicking 'Paste', or just pressing 'Ctrl' and 'V' at the same time)....

HTH,

Chris....

 

[flipbro]

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I have also bought a snap on dial torque wrench didnt win the 0 to 30 inch pound one. But got a 0 to 150 inch pound. The only thing is it reads in increments of 5 it is also snap on for what I've got tied up in this I've got to do it write lol