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MACKRYSTI

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Hello, First time here and new boater. Just have a few questions. I just bought my first boat 1990 Bayliner Capri with a Force 90 hp O/B. I know I know, I've heared all the bad things but this was my wife's grandfather boat and trust me when I tell you that this baby is in good shape. It was well maintain and garage kept. Anyways, I need to know the important things about starting my boat, unloading and loading. Also what do people mean by the plug?? Keep in mind its first boat. Any help would be very apprecited...<br /><br />Thanks..
 

Mercury140-I6

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Hello and welcome to the Boating life.<br /><br />Starting the motor:<br /><br />Connect the fuel line to the motor (IF not already done), there is a squeeze bulb somewhere between the motor and the tank. Pump it until it is firm. Next, there should be a bottom at the bottom of the shift/throttle lever that you push to dis-engage the shifting, but lets you advance the throttle in Neutral. I wouold say advance it between 1/4 and 1/3 throttle. Put the key in and turn to the on position. Push the key inward for the choke (You should be able to hear it click) With the key pushed in, crank the motor until it fires or about 25 seconds, which ever comes first. If it doesn't fire, squeeze the bulb again and repeat until it lights. Now keep in mind that the Force is a VERY cold blooded beast and just because it fires, don't take for granted that it is going to stay lit. You might have to start it several times. I would let it warm up for at least 5 minutes at NO MORE than 1500 RPM's.<br /><br />The "Plug":<br /><br />At the bottom of the boat just infront of the motor's prop is a hole in the boat for draining. That is where the "Plug" goes. I think Bayliner was using the brass screw type at that point in time. I use a cresent wrench and get it snug, don't over tighten it as it might strip or you might be fighting it to get it back off later.<br /><br />Loading and unloading:<br /><br />Wether you have a roller trailer or a bunk trailer, since you are new to this. I would not attemp tp drive the boat on or off the trailer until you get real good at controling it. <br /><br />For unloading. BEFORE you actually get on the ramp, make sure the plug is in, unstrap the transom tie-downs and unplug the lights (Helps to keep them from blowing when they hit the water). At the minimum have a bow line ATTACHED to the boat and a person holding onto it and if you have a dock next to the ramp, and another person, a line on the back is also a good idea. DO NOT!!!!!! unhook or loosen the bow strap/winch until the boat is toughing the water and the rope handlers are ready. At that point you can release the winch/bow strap and back it in till it floats off and then you can pull the trailer out from under it. but pull out slow uncase a rope, boat or something gets caught on the trailer. Move the boat as far down the dock as possible so as not to block anyone coming in or going out. Lower the motor and fire it up and have a blast.<br /><br />Retrieving, back the trailer into the water so that about 1/2 of the bunks are under water (BIG TIP HERE (Spray the bunks with silicone before you put the boat back on)) That helps the boat slide on the carpet like it would on rollers. Lift the motor up and push the boat as far up the trailer as you can and then attach the bow strap and crank it on the rest of the way. Slowly pull out and drive it out of the way and then take the plug out, put on the transon straps and stow everything for the trip home. If you are in need of any help, don't be afraid to ask someone there. Most people are more than happy to help as it lets you get off the ramp faster. <br /><br />I really hope this helps.<br /><br />Craig
 

MACKRYSTI

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Hey thanks a whole lot really gave me some great info. I plan to take it out in two weeks. I'll let you know how it went.
 

Link

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Welcome aboard Mario Carrasco <br />I would like to add 3 more things<br /><br />WhereMercury140-I6 said "Starting the Motor"<br />1: Do this first in the driveway before heading out. Your wifes Grand father should be able to tell you how to do this. And then follow Mercury140-I6 advice. <br /><br />2: Call a local marine dealer and get the number for the local Coast Guard Aux to find out when and where they are having their next class and sign up for it. You and your wife can take the course together. This will do 2 things for you.<br />You will learn a lot about boat handling and safety, and the second it that most insurance companies will give a discount if you have taken the course.<br />3: Stick around here, ask questions and join in the conversations.<br /><br />Keep us posted<br /><br />Link
 

MACKRYSTI

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Link, thank you, in fact thanks to everyone that has help. By the way Link wifes grandfather past away, that is why we bought the boat, kind of wanted to keep something of his. Anyways I was told that this force 90 hp motor is a 4 cycle by my wifes uncle, but now I here that it is a 2 cycle how can I find out. I still haven't actually gotten the boat so i just can't walk out a check.
 

rickdb1boat

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Mario <br /><br />It is a 2-Stroke motor. It requires that you Pre-mix the oil in the fuel tank at a ratio of 50:1. This equals 1 pint of TC-W3 outboard oil per 6 Gallons of gas. Never start the motor unless you have the lower unit submerged in water or on Flushing Muffs. How long has it been since the boat has been run?
 

airman

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Rick mentioned it, but if you're new you should know why... If you run the engine for even a few seconds without water you will wreck the rubber impeller pump that cools the motor. To replace it you need to remove the lower leg. They should be replaced every couple of years anyways. The "pee stream" indicates that it is pumping well. If it ever stops peeing, figure out why or you will probably wreck the motor. The very best thing to do is to take someone with experience out with you for your first ride. I suppose that might depend on who you bring though. If you don't know anyone, knock on the door of your nearest yacht club and someone will be happy to go for a free boat ride.
 

Link

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Hey Mario <br />Condolences to your family on the loss of a member.<br />As you can see these guys here will walk you (or anyone) through the smallest details. You might also just for good reading check this forums Engine FAQ's (Frequently Asked Questions). And by 1990 bayliner had a good hull design and the quality did improve some what. (You can't compare apples to oranges or bayliners to say a SeaRay) And I "think" Merc bought out Force and started putting some of thier electronics on them. If I'm wrong about this, someone here will correct me. Which is why this is the only forum I have stayed at for more than a week. A year this month.<br />Keep posting and asking question<br /><br />Link
 

1986mariner150

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Hi Mario and welcome, I have been running a Force outboard for some years now and contrary to popular belief if a couple of simple rules are followed you can enjoy years of reliable service. 1;Keep the rpm below 5200, these motors don't tolerate high rpm's, and the results of violating this rule are very expensive.<br />2;De-carbonize every year, for years i used deep creep which is seafoam in a can sprayed into the carb with the motor running in the water, this year i went with the method in the FAQ section on this site. If the boat has been sitting for any lenght of time i would also reccomend pulling the spark plugs and spraying a liberal amount of deep creep in the holes to lubricate the rings before firing her up. If sitting for a year or more carb cleaning and compression test is called for.<br />3;Replace water pump impeller every other year. I have never owned a Force that pee'ed, all mine have been spitters, meaning that they kind of spit water out the back of the motor.<br /><br />On the start up procedure above, I would try and start her with out going to fast idle and see what happens. Mine does not require this, is a bump and go boat even in the cold, I don't think my starter has ever made more than 5 revolutions except the time the kill switch laynard came unhooked.<br />If you are new to trailering I would recommend you spend a few minutes in a large empty parking praticing before you get to the boat ramp to avoid embarrasment. Boating edicate dictates that your time on the ramp to launch should be less than 1 minute. Do all you can before you back down the ramp. I have always backed down with the boat unhooked, I have been boating for years and have never seen a boat fall off backing down unhooked. As long as you have someone in the boat with a paddle and a thro rope handy you will be ok. hth
 

POINTER94

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Mario,<br /><br />My condolences on the passing of your grandfather.<br /><br />Just a few suggestions. Very few boats come with an owners manual so I would recommend that you purchase a Seloc manual.<br /><br /> http://www.iboats.com/boatproducts/mallsearch/force_manual/ <br /><br />These are nice step-by-step engine manuals specific to your engines brand, year and horsepower. They have plenty of pictures and diagrams to make the service of your engine comprehensive and easy to understand.<br /><br />One hint I would share with you. When you launch or retrieve your boat, wear waterproof sandals. If you resign yourself the first couple of times to getting wet feet wet you can expedite your task and begin to get a routine/technique down. Practice will bring confidence and getting right down to it, it is not really a difficult task but you would never know it by watching the local ramp. Another hint I got here on the site is if you haven't run your boat in a week or so, start it in the driveway before you go to the ramp. The last thing you want to do is affix repairs at the ramp while holding everyone up. The knowlege that your boat will start when you launch, will allow you to keep your mind on what you are doing.<br /><br />And lastly, to echo what others have said, take someone who is an ol' pro for a run or two. I would recommend that it be just the two of you. That way you can ask all your questions, have his/her undivided attention without distraction, and get familiar with the boats handling and idiosyncrasies before having multiple people on board. If you remember to put the plug in and keep the gas and oil fresh you will have a hard time not enjoying yourself... :) <br /><br />Look into a power squadron or coast guard auxillary course. They will provide you with greater confidence that anything you see you will understand. Great way to make new friends as well.<br /><br />Best of luck to you and keep posting all your questions, I have not seen a better site for sharing information than right here.....
 

MACKRYSTI

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God, I never knew how help full boating people were thanks a lot to everyone. Another question, since I have a two cycle what is the best way to mix it. Can I just put the oil in the tank and then gas, or should I pre-mix a little at a time in a gas tank.
 

MACKRYSTI

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Another question, I just bought a flush muff, how exactly do you use it?
 

POINTER94

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Mario,<br /><br />Don't be surprised if you get several different answers to the same question. Peoples personal experiences frequently create slightly different perspectives on how to accomplish things.<br /><br />I would get comfortable with my gas gauge and try to gauge what amount of oil is required based on the anticipated amount of fuel required to fill, add oil first then add fuel. Check your ratio's and then add additional oil as necessary. My outboard is oil injected so it has a separate oil reservoir and mixes the two in the cylinders. I must tell you that I have little to no experience with the Force product. I can't stress enough to purchase the Seloc manual. Others here on the site are far better versed in the Force product so if you have a question regarding it you will recieve better, quicker answers if you post your questions in the appropriate category. <br /><br />As for the muffs. You will find a series of holes on the lower 25% of the outdrive. (about 8-12 inches above the bottom, sked (fin). The holes are relatively small and of equal number on either side of the lower unit of the outboard. Wrap the muff over these holes and attach your garden hose to the fitting and turn on water. This will allow you to run your outboard in the driveway. This will allow you to flush out salt water, or service your outboard without going to the lake. Running an outboard without water is a death sentance for your impeller (the outboards water pump) and not very good for everything else as well. ;) Never ever start your outboard without water running through it. There are also limitations to how high you can rev your outboard on the muffs. (Get the manual :) )<br /><br />I hope this helps...
 

jsfinn

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Mario,<br /><br />Welcome aboard. <br /><br />When you hook up the "muffs", don't turn the hose on full blast. About half way should be good enough. Also, if it's not "peeing" water, shut it off and figure out why it's not pumping water. <br /><br />How long has it been since this boat has been out? You'll probably want to change the lower unit oil before running it. Seach around on the forum and you'll find plenty of instruction on doing it. It's easy and only take a few minutes.<br /><br />Ask questions - these guys are great! :)
 

Throbbin Rods

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Mario<br />I have seen a 22 ft cuddy with an I/O laying on the ramp because the winch strap was unhooked. I saw a 18 ft Crestliner with a 115 HP outboard stand up on the transom 5 feet from the water. Leave the strap on until the boat is in the water. Always. Period.
 

Navigator

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Mario,<br />Although mentioned before, make sure you use TCW-3 oil. The "W" stands for "water jacketed" cooling, the type outboards use. <br /><br />Regular Two stroke oil, say for a chainsaw or Edger will destroy your engine...so will standard automotive oil.<br /><br />There are hundreds of threads here debating oil type, brands, etc, if you are interested in learning more.<br /><br />As a prior Force Owner, I can tell you that your Force is a basic simple engine, but it'll bite you if you dont take care of it. The key to long life is simply Fresh Gas, Good Oil, and routine maintenance. Keep the battery charged, and fire it up once a week on the muffs for 5 minutes or so just to keep her happy. Do this and you'll enjoy many years of happy boating :D :D ....Let her sit in the driveway with the carbs full of gas for 2-3 months, and you'll be swearing at it when it wont start, runs poorly, or dies leaving you stuck on the lake. :mad: :mad: :mad: <br /><br />May the Force be with you. ;) <br /><br />Nav :cool:
 

MACKRYSTI

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Hey thanks a lot Nav. It is especially nice to hear from a Force owner. Thanks for all the good tips. :D ;)
 

Bass Runner

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first rule of thumb (fuel mixture) second (the plug) third do not go blasting around swimming areas or no wake zones or especialy other boaters stopped and fishing (that can get you shot here in Oklahoma). Welcome to the boating world it's a lot of fun if done safely, (have fun that's what it's all about.
 

mattttt25

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you've gotten plenty of good advice. so here's mine- take it out and have fun!
 
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