new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

LAC_STS

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So Im pretty sure my engine has a 140 degree t-stat in it because it usually sits right at 145-150. A couple weeks ago I noticed that after running it for a while it was creeping up to 160 or so but would come down if I let off the throttle for a sec.

I just bought the boat the end of June and the PO said (and gave me the marina receipt) that the impeller was changed in March. When I saw the temp getting up to 160 sometimes I changed the impeller just for peace of mind. The impeller looked good and wasnt broken and didnt have cracks or anything but the fins were laid over pretty good. So I changed it and then the boat would stay at about 110 idling at the dock until I got out and ran it. then it would stay around 145-150.

So today I got to the boat. I start it and let it warm up while I go get some stuff from my car. 10 mins or so later I come back to the boat and the temp is 175-180. I hurry and shut it off and let it cool down a few. I started it back up and the supply hose into the t-stat housing was tight (had pressure). the big hose to the circ pump was not. I could tell it had no water in it.

I took the t-stat housing off and there was no debris in it. I put the housing back on and took the supply hose off while I started the engine. Water flowed good. Put it back on and about 30 seconds later the big hose to the circ pump got pressure again and the temp stayed normal.

So would a sticking t-stat cause this? Pretty sure Im not seeing it right but I dont even see how the t-stat works in that housing because its at the top of the housing and the supply hose is lower than it so when it is open water will still circulate. I dunno, but I think this may happen again as I didnt find a cause for it. I checked the impeller after this and is still looks new.

Anything I should check? If this really sounds like a t-stat issue Ill just go get a new one. The t-stat is new when I got the engine about 2 months ago.

I should be ok as the engine only got to 180 max right? It does still run great and didnt notice anything abnormal.
 

bruceb58

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

Should be fine. I wouldn't trust the gauge by the way. Buy an IR thermometer and check out the temps yourself. Also, when ever I run my boat on the muffs, I always lay my hands on the risers for awhile. They are the first things that will get blazing hot if you don't have enough water flow.

How old are your manifolds? Manifolds that are getting clogged will lower the water flow and cause you to overheat. If the boat was used in salt water, replace the manifolds/risers if over 5 years old.
 

LAC_STS

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

Thanks bruce!

Yea im gonna have to get another temp gun. Mine was in my tool bucket that got stolen recently.

All this happened while in that water at the dock. I keep it at a dry rack and they flush it and wash it when they take it out.

but I did forget to say that Friday I had them pull the boat out. When they did I was there and was the one who was in the boat while it was on the forks being washed and I started the engine when it was hooked to the hose. It never got above normal temp (145 or so).

Then today I had them put it in the water and all this happened.

Ill have to keep and eye on it and if/when it happens again see if I can pinpoint the problem. I kinda freaked out a little today cause I had walked to the car and when I came back it as overheating. I usually dont do that until I let it warm up and then check the oil and stuff.
 

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

...... while it was on the forks ........... I started the engine when it was hooked to the hose. It never got above normal temp (145 or so).

Then today I had them put it in the water and all this happened.......

I agree with Bruce on the IR gun.

The difference in the above conditions is that when on the 'hose', positive pressure is applied to the cooling system and water is forced past internal obstructions.
When waterborne and dependent upon the impeller pump, should the pump encounter hydraulic resistence, the vanes will 'lay down' and reduce the volume of water past them. Thus, an over-heat condition.

It is my belief you have internal restrictions, whether it's the riser, blocked cooling passages (most likely from remains of a former impeller) or exhaust restrictions from a destroyed flapper (shutter) valve. :)
 

Aloysius

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

If the thermostat was doing its job, it should be 140 at idle also. You are using a t'stat with a small (1/8th" or so) hole in it as a bypass?
 

redjmp

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

I started it back up and the supply hose into the t-stat housing was tight (had pressure). .

That hose feeding the tstat housing has got a wire spring inside it to keep it from collapsing when the circ pump out draws the water pump in the leg.

No hose on a engine raw water cooling system ever develops any significant pressure that would be noticeable by trying to squeeze the hose.

Only the fresh water side of a closed system is under pressure.
 

LAC_STS

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Yea the hose going to the circ pump has a spring in it too but I can squeeze certain parts of it. When the overheat was going on the hose going to the circ pump was limp like it had no water in it.

Normally I can barely squeeze it with the engine running.

im starting to think the t-stat was stuck or something. Its like it never opened up so the engine just kept heating up.
 

Lou C

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

For one thing, a 160* stat was standard on those engines, (and most Volvos too) and I have never seen an OE or aftermarket stat for an OMC that was a 140 unit. So from the get go your stat was probably sticking open because the normal operational temp for mine has always been from 160-170 with a good stat. Your 140-150 temps were too cool if the gauges were accurate (questionable I know).... Salt water use will make em sticky but usually they stick open slightly then you get cool running like 120 at idle and will only warm up to 160 on plane. I usually put a new stat in each season and if I am lucky I get through the season with it not sticking, but they always run cool when they do that.....
 

LAC_STS

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

Hey Lou,

I was reading in some other threads on here about overheats and I came across someone saying that 140 stats were used for boats that are operating exclusively in salt water to counter something. I forget.

The 140 is what was in the engine when I bought it new. I bought it from a place in Miami which is a couple hours from me so maybe they put it in there because of the salt water?

I dunno. But Im pretty sure it was the stat sticking now that I think more about it. after I changed the impeller the engine wouldnt warm up until I ran it. It would stay around 110 or so. Then after the overheat, and after I took the stat housing and hoses off, now it warms right up at the dock in idle and stays at about 145 or so.

So the first time when it was running cool the stat must have been stuck open. Then when the overheat it must have been stuck closed.
 

Lou C

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

Hey Lou,

I was reading in some other threads on here about overheats and I came across someone saying that 140 stats were used for boats that are operating exclusively in salt water to counter something. I forget.

The 140 is what was in the engine when I bought it new. I bought it from a place in Miami which is a couple hours from me so maybe they put it in there because of the salt water?

I dunno. But Im pretty sure it was the stat sticking now that I think more about it. after I changed the impeller the engine wouldnt warm up until I ran it. It would stay around 110 or so. Then after the overheat, and after I took the stat housing and hoses off, now it warms right up at the dock in idle and stays at about 145 or so.

So the first time when it was running cool the stat must have been stuck open. Then when the overheat it must have been stuck closed.

I have heard that for years, that in salt you should run a 140, but I have never found one for that model OMCs and my shop uses the OE ones, so that's what I used. And BTW I never saw evidence of salt crystalization in my engine, but your water is probably a good bit salter than here in LI. I'd put in a new OE stat and see how she does... but keep in mind it will run at 160-170 with the 160. Fine as far as I am concerned....
 

LAC_STS

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Yea Im gonna replace the stat and housing gasket Monday. If I can find the right gasket here locally. I might have to order it.

Last time I got one they gave me one that didnt have the 2 little rings in it. Are those rings important? I assume they ground out the stat housing, but for what purpose?


thanks
 

tractoman

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

Yea Im gonna replace the stat and housing gasket Monday. If I can find the right gasket here locally. I might have to order it.

Last time I got one they gave me one that didnt have the 2 little rings in it. Are those rings important? I assume they ground out the stat housing, but for what purpose?


thanks

Continuity for the temp sender?
 

LAC_STS

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

That's what I was thinking but my temp sender is on the manifold and doesn't touch the t stat housing.
 

Lou C

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That's what I was thinking but my temp sender is on the manifold and doesn't touch the t stat housing.

that's for a Merc....they have those rings, the OMC does not....
 

LAC_STS

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Re: new complete engine with 70 hours 1st overheat.

Ok. Thanks. The gasket in there now has the rings. They prob just used it cause that's what they had. I'll just get a regular one.
 
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