"New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

stan1969

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I have tried to rewire my boat trailer and install new lights and for some reason it will not work. I don't know what I am doing wrong.... I have it hooked up just like the instructions say and made sure that all the ground wiring is metal to metal....even made sure at the tongue to get a grinder and remove all the rust where the main ground wire would be. Its all clean....sometimes the lights work, then they go completely off and can't get them to come back on....other times it looks like a strobe light...they flicker..if you have any suggestions please let me know. I hooked my loboy trailer up and the lights that I changed on that trailer work great. I thought maybe something was wrong with the light kit so i completely took it all off and went and bought a new kit. Ugh....please help!
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

Do you have a tester(multi meter) to check for continuity between different areas of the wiring?
 

LippCJ7

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Don't overlook the connection to the tow vehicle, just because another trailer works properly does not in any way confirm the connection to the tow vehicle is good, Electricity is funny like that, if it doesn't work properly it will try to find a way
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

Don't overlook the connection to the tow vehicle, just because another trailer works properly does not in any way confirm the connection to the tow vehicle is good, Electricity is funny like that, if it doesn't work properly it will try to find a way

Exactly. Is your trailer hooked to the ball of your tow vehicle when you test them? Mine won't work at all unless I have the trailer actually on the ball of my tow vehicle. The other little wire ground just isn't enough I suppose. So if not, give that a try.
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

You are experiencing a fairly common problem when switching to LED lights. Many vehicles are unable to operate the LED lights because they do not draw enough current to activate the control circuitry. Basically the vehicle does not "see" that the lights are connected. To test this theory, temporarily connect a regular bulb in parallel with any of the LED lights. This adds an additional load and permits the control circuitry to work properly. My bet is that the LED lights will work properly IF you have everything hooked up properly.

If this is the case, you will need to install a dummy load like a high powered resistor to draw more current.
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

Be sure that you have an additional ground wire from the trailer to the chassis of the tow vehicle. Do not depend on the ground through the hitch ball. This additional ground wire MUST MAKE POSITIVE CONNECTION TO GROUNDED METAL on the tow vehicle and the trailer. A simple check for a good ground here or any other place on the vehicle is to connect one of the test lights.(the ones with a light on one end and an alligator clip on the other) connect the clip and probe different places with the probe tip. I have used this method to find bad grounds on automobiles. especially gm cars that use a short black wire to ground fenders etc. Many times these wires will be left off along with the little braided wires from the neg on the battery to the fender or engine block. Problems may show up as flickering head lights DING DING DING sound familar ------ flickering or blinking lights. I've found this problems on several chevrolets especially after some "jackleg" mechanic pulls the motor or does other major work and throws those little short "do nothing" wires in the trash pile. That test lamp from the ground NEG POST OF THE BATTERY to the FENDER would light brightly. FROM THE NEG POST TO FENDER SHOULD BE ZERO VOLTAGE IF THEY ARE GROUNDED. You can also make these same checks with a volt meter but the test lamp might suprise you if you just check around "after dark" even if you are not having electrical problems. AND especially the cars and trucks of today with so much fiberglas and plastic parts.
If you notice while driving at night that your head lights seem dim or flicker.....MAKE THESE CHECKS AND replace those little short wires that connect finders, firewall, etc to engine block or to NEG POSTof the battery.
GOOD LUCK......let me know if this helps you
 
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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

UR right on the money sea_goin_dude I ALWAYS put an extra groung wire from the trailer to the tow vehicle and very seldom have any grounding issuses. Sometimes you have to check the inside of the light fixtures them selve as I have in the past found bad connections in them as not all manufacturers are diligent in checking their work usualy of shore lights have this problem Japanise/China made stuff. If you have to put another ground on the trailer also make another extra ground to the frame of the tow vehicle.
 

bobkyle2

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

I just installed these on my trailor.. I love them.. I had a grounding problem to begin with..I ran a ground wire full length of trailer
 

sea_goin_dude

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

Here is the test lamp I am talking about. Available at any auto supply, kmarts of walmarts. Cheapest test equip. you can buy, easy to use and will help find many electrical probems..

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You can check for grounds, voltage, check fuses, switches, etc with it. Great if you don't have a multimeter or know how to use one (meter).
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

I use those all the time, have traced many a faulty ground with one.
 

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OK it should be stated that running a ground the entire length of the trailer is an opinion (one that I share by the way) but it is not the standard(I wish it was) also the use of heat shrink with heat activated glue at all wire splices is preferable as well, if you take these precautions you should have several years of trouble free trailering however trailers take a beating, think about it you dip the trailer into water while running electricity not exactly something your mom would be proud of is it! Meanwhile the water is attacking the steel and corroding anything that it can, I have said it before and I will say it again, any person can become a pretty good automotive/boat electrician by just trying to keep the trailer wiring working properly! Its just one of those things that demands fairly consistent maintenance not unlike your boat so you may as well get educated or plan on spending some money. Thing is its not overly difficult and there is nothing more challenging in the automotive world then electrical issues, but I like challenges so ironically that's what I do.

Also a test light as suggested above is an excellent way for the amateur electrician to figure out electrical issues once there is a problem, but what it can't do is find a problem before it becomes a problem, for that you have to have a Digital Volt Meter (DVM) checking continuity in a wire that is corroding and making the wire resistive can only be found via DVM, ever wonder why this brake light is brighter then the other? Grounds can be tested and verified as can power, these days DVM's cost little more then a decent test light anyway, I have both but I use the DVM much more but I have to for work anyway.

In Electrical troubleshooting you cannot overlook the simplest issues, and troubleshooting should nearly always start at the vehicle battery with a test of the battery to verify battery voltage, note the voltage seen 13.5VDC(just as an example), then go to the trailer connection and see 11.3VDC, you have an issue, in most modern cars grounding is the most common problem so that's where I would check first. If you don't have a base battery voltage value how do you know that your system in its entirety is working properly, too many times I see friends and family checking the trailer connection with a DVM and they have no idea other then "Battery voltage" at that connection so I ask well how much voltage are you expecting? I get the look like WTF? this is your job! so I explain the process but it always starts with specifically how many volts the battery is supplying, any variation +-1VDC of that number can indicate an issue upstream of where you are checking.

I also check my grounds from the furthest point from the battery TO THE BATTERY NEGATIVE POST not where the battery jumper ties into the chassis, I challenge everyone on this forum to do the same, do it on your brand new car I guarantee there are going to be 50% of the replies surprised to find 1-5ohms resistance on the factory grounds on a new car, now add a resistive trailer coupling and poor/corroded grounding at the trailer lights and were talking 15 to 25 ohms resistance, that's plenty to dim trailer lights!!

Ok I'm off my soap box sorry if I talked to much
 

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I also check my grounds from the furthest point from the battery TO THE BATTERY NEGATIVE POST not where the battery jumper ties into the chassis, I challenge everyone on this forum to do the same, do it on your brand new car I guarantee there are going to be 50% of the replies surprised to find 1-5ohms resistance on the factory grounds on a new car, now add a resistive trailer coupling and poor/corroded grounding at the trailer lights and were talking 15 to 25 ohms resistance, that's plenty to dim trailer lights!!

To go along with that, almost every new car can benefit from improving the ground! In many vehicles it will actually help smooth out idle and give you a little bit of power/fuel economy.

Really simple to do. At a minimum, you want a nice 4 gauge wire going from the battery terminal to a clean spot on the car chassis, and from there I usually have a second wire going to the engine block. I'll occassionally add a 3rd or even 4th wire daisy chained going a second spot on the engine, as well as back to the chassis on the other side of the car.


(used to do competition car audio, where grounds were REALLY important. now more into car performance, where grounds are REALLY important! Bad ground = fuel pump not running at full capacity = engine goes lean, aka kaboom)
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

I would like to add one more thing to this, if you live in an area where Magnesium Chloride is used to control ice build up on the roads pay special attention to the grounds under the hood and in any area where your feet are such as the kick panels and near the seat mounting points. It is my OPINION that this chemical is deteriorating the factory grounds much more then what I would call normal.

Sorry for the Hijack BTW.....
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

You are experiencing a fairly common problem when switching to LED lights. Many vehicles are unable to operate the LED lights because they do not draw enough current to activate the control circuitry. Basically the vehicle does not "see" that the lights are connected. To test this theory, temporarily connect a regular bulb in parallel with any of the LED lights. This adds an additional load and permits the control circuitry to work properly. My bet is that the LED lights will work properly IF you have everything hooked up properly.

If this is the case, you will need to install a dummy load like a high powered resistor to draw more current.

Can you elaborate on that a but more? I think your confusing the ability of a flasher module to determine the presence of a burnt out bulb. I'm unaware of any circuitry on automobiles that controls trailer wiring, with the exception of converters that convert systems with separate amber blinkers to 2 light systems. This is done through the use of diodes and gates and run in parallel to the vehicles main wiring, and are not current dependant.

Is there a new system being used perhaps I'm not aware of?
Thanks
Bill
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

two war stories, not to contradict what anyone else said, but just how funky trailer wiring can be:
1. in 35 years of trailering, and at least 6 trailers, salt water boating, I have never once hooked a wire from the trailer to the vehicle, including the hitch. Just the plug.
2. I had a problem for years, stumped me and a couple of mechanics, until one got so aggravated he went off the clock to find it (brakes and headlights together would cancel the trailer lights). Turns out the car's wiring harness for the trailer (1997 Tahoe, dealer installed) had a white wire to ground, as expected--except it was supposed to operate a third brake light (like the one on top of the rear window) and if not hooked up, to be sealed off.
So you can start with logic and information, but eventually you will resort to superstition and casting spells.

PS no trailer lights and wirnig are waterproof. Unplug before immersing.
 

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PS no trailer lights and wirnig are waterproof. Unplug before immersing.

I wouldn't say ALL of them are not waterproof... My PWC currently has potted LED lights that do not ground to the trailer. There are three wires running to each light without any joints, and they combine shortly before the trailer plug. (in other words, the parts that get wet are 100% sealed)

In theory the lights should last longer than the trailer, the wiring that is outside the trailer and the plug still take the normal abuse of trailer wiring though.
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

nice theory. Maybe I should say, nothing is waterproof forever.
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

If any of you use shrink tubing on your connectors, before you heat it to shrink it, shoot a bit of caulking or rtv sealer in the tubing, with the connector and when the tubing shrinks, it will squish the sealer all around and through the connector and really "seal" it and make it water proof. Otherwise, water can get inside regular shrink tubing and while you can't see it, your conectors still rust, corrode.
 

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Re: "New" Led Submersible Boat Trailer Lights won't work

If any of you use shrink tubing on your connectors, before you heat it to shrink it, shoot a bit of caulking or rtv sealer in the tubing, with the connector and when the tubing shrinks, it will squish the sealer all around and through the connector and really "seal" it and make it water proof. Otherwise, water can get inside regular shrink tubing and while you can't see it, your conectors still rust, corrode.

Actually now you can purchase all crimp connections with heat shrink attached to the connection, the heat shrink also has heat activated glue inside the heat shrink to seal the connection, these of course are more expensive then the older style crimp connectors but you get what you pay for. We use these in all of our vehicle installations and we use RAM Products www.ramproducts.com they are a mobile warehouse and stop by each of our facilities once a week
 
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