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Seaman Apprentice
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- Jul 23, 2009
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I hope this is the right section. I think it is. for a new project thread and my adventures getting it going.
Buddy owed me some money. I know he can't really pay and it was not 100% his fault though his responsibility. I am not vindictive I would have let it go but he was gung ho to square up with me. SO he offers me a boat.
ahhh man I got 3 already and none run
hehehe well one runs but I spun the prop need to save up for a new prop unit and put a new floor in it.
anyway I go to take a look at it (figure at least I might get something of my money out of it) I saw man this thing better run or we are going to go fishing and only one of us is coming back hehe
and of course. what else is new. its a bit of a wreck but I fall instantly in love with it. very cute small wide and "simple" (I like simple designs)
I look at it and while I really like the "design" and that I could launch this with my tracker and recover it with the tracker and I could tow it with my metro and launch (with a winch) I am very intrigued.
then the money pit begins. no interior. no fuel line no fuel tank flat tire the other one is right behind it. bit of rust on the trailer (bracket not the frame it seems so should be fixable within a reasonable budget) no battery nothing connected to anything except at least the steering is linked up etc..
he goes yeah had it out on the river did 25 or so mph (questionable) I go WHEN. he goes a year ago. I go did you winterize it? he looks at me and blinks. I groan. of course not.
he says I had a guy offer me $600 for it. I say bull. if that was true I would not be standing here looking at it (we have been arguing over "value") he said well yeah he wanted to see it run.
I was getting exasperated. get this image. I am 400 pounds 6'4" and I wear the brightest colors money can buy I fling my arms up in the air wiggle them like a monkey point at him and go Eggggggzactly!!! IF IT RAN.
so lets go over the list here. Battery $150 Tank $50 Fuel line $50 $15 in gas $4 in oil $65 EACH TIRE though you could probably get away with ONE tire for a test ride since the launch is 500ft from your house. assuming the bearings are not blown. OWE and no seat so $35 walmart special with $26 mount and $30 for trailer lights.
THEN you might be able to "run it" THEN it might be worth $600 but at this point you will have over $600 into it. Do you see why he did not buy it and why I am standing here looking at it (I was not being mean or anything he is a decent friend of mine I was just trying to get him to realize that there is a reason boat means break out another thousand
I said the hull is worthless. it has zero real value. the trailer has no title so its near worthless $75 max less since its a boat trailer unless your buyer happens to need "that" specific size and shape basically scrap value.
the only thing of any real value is the motor and after I buy all this crap for it. the starter is seized. another $60 if I buy online $160 if I buy local.
yep. I come back the next day after popping $200 into a boat I don't even own yet.and no joy solenoid clicks and no life from the starter its seized hard (put power directly to the starter NOTHING)
uggggg. I decide to take it give him $75 plus the debt he owes me. I come back yet another day later (1.5+ hours each way. only 20 minutes from work but these are not my work days so its 3 hours round trip + each day) as luck (well not so lucky) would have it my versa trailer uses the same rim and tire. I take my nice new tire and put it on the boat and I make it 1/2 mile from his house to a plume of smoke coming from the trailer. Grrr I figure blown bearings I turn around and limp back at 5mph praying it don't fail or damage the spindle before I get back. 300ft from his place the tire shreds. I just keep going and park it.
Ugggghhhh. one more day. I come back with my brother to help tear the trailer apart and get the bearings and turns out the wheels still spin??? what the frak? the bearings need some loving (just going to replace) but its not the bearings the tire shredded on something
now. did it shred the other scuzzy nasty needs to be replace NOW tire on the trailer? NO. of course not. it shredded my nice new versa trailer tire. Grrrrr
goto my tire guy and get sticker shock and arrhythmia $65 just for the tire !! I don't have that kind of cash right now. $130 in tires plus install on rims! ouch. I check around nothing used or cheap anywhere and just for the heck of it I check my favorite goto place harbor freight. they have a 4.8 (versus 5.7) tire for $35 onsale for $30 and I have 25% off coupons up the wazoo. that is $22.50 a pop. 8" 4 lug rim like mine just a wee thinner (1" that will become ultra important in a moment)
rated for 560 that means 1100 pound max. no way this trailer and boat mass that much so it SHOULD be ok. I can always return if they don't fit (assuming I don't harm them)
they fit. and its a good thing I went this cheaper HF route. I discovered why the tire shredded. its a floating axle.
the axle had "shifted" to one side just a little bit so that the fatter 5.7x8 tire on that side was RUBBING against the inside of the rusty fender. that was the source of the smoke and the source of the shred. I can see the shiny metal spot where it was rubbing till it burst the tire
had I replaced the 5.7 without noticing this it would have simply shredded another tire. as luck would have it these thinner tires were JUST thin enough not to touch the frame and rub.
finally got the boat back to egg harbor (where I work)
I can relax for the moment. then the rains come. Uggggg. I want to try and get this in the water before winter. get so me use out of it before I properly fog it etc.. assuming it runs at all.
so I decide what the heck out comes the ajax with bleach and "berry" scent and I go out in the rain and give it a quickie scrubbing on the outside to get through the grime and see what I have.
its actually pretty darned nice.
I only cleaned up the top half only the outside not the inside or bottom of the hull yet but already its looking really nice.
the gel coat is in really nice shape all the cleats are clean and tight the windshield has zero issues its a decent "base" to work with.
the floor is a wreck badly done fiberglass overlay BUT it is "solid" no flex at all. the transom is rock solid and spotless. no serious damage at all except some rash in 1 or 2 spots (very minor) I am really liking this.
How about that motor. I was able to free it and I can rotate it by hand and I can feel compression. I found a starter rebuilt locally for $40 but two problems with that.
wrong bendex (he says I can swap them he being guy I bought the starter from) and I can not get the third bolt holding the starter in. its behind all the needle valves ?? at the back and I have zero confidence in my ability to dissassemble that with any chance of not screwing it up putting it back together. so when I get the motor looked over I will let him (mechanic) deal with that.
at least till I know what I am dealing with and have more skill with these engines.
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Buddy owed me some money. I know he can't really pay and it was not 100% his fault though his responsibility. I am not vindictive I would have let it go but he was gung ho to square up with me. SO he offers me a boat.
ahhh man I got 3 already and none run
hehehe well one runs but I spun the prop need to save up for a new prop unit and put a new floor in it.anyway I go to take a look at it (figure at least I might get something of my money out of it) I saw man this thing better run or we are going to go fishing and only one of us is coming back hehe
and of course. what else is new. its a bit of a wreck but I fall instantly in love with it. very cute small wide and "simple" (I like simple designs)
I look at it and while I really like the "design" and that I could launch this with my tracker and recover it with the tracker and I could tow it with my metro and launch (with a winch) I am very intrigued.
then the money pit begins. no interior. no fuel line no fuel tank flat tire the other one is right behind it. bit of rust on the trailer (bracket not the frame it seems so should be fixable within a reasonable budget) no battery nothing connected to anything except at least the steering is linked up etc..
he goes yeah had it out on the river did 25 or so mph (questionable) I go WHEN. he goes a year ago. I go did you winterize it? he looks at me and blinks. I groan. of course not.
he says I had a guy offer me $600 for it. I say bull. if that was true I would not be standing here looking at it (we have been arguing over "value") he said well yeah he wanted to see it run.
I was getting exasperated. get this image. I am 400 pounds 6'4" and I wear the brightest colors money can buy I fling my arms up in the air wiggle them like a monkey point at him and go Eggggggzactly!!! IF IT RAN.
so lets go over the list here. Battery $150 Tank $50 Fuel line $50 $15 in gas $4 in oil $65 EACH TIRE though you could probably get away with ONE tire for a test ride since the launch is 500ft from your house. assuming the bearings are not blown. OWE and no seat so $35 walmart special with $26 mount and $30 for trailer lights.
THEN you might be able to "run it" THEN it might be worth $600 but at this point you will have over $600 into it. Do you see why he did not buy it and why I am standing here looking at it
(I was not being mean or anything he is a decent friend of mine I was just trying to get him to realize that there is a reason boat means break out another thousand I said the hull is worthless. it has zero real value. the trailer has no title so its near worthless $75 max less since its a boat trailer unless your buyer happens to need "that" specific size and shape
basically scrap value.the only thing of any real value is the motor and after I buy all this crap for it. the starter is seized. another $60 if I buy online $160 if I buy local.
yep. I come back the next day after popping $200 into a boat I don't even own yet.and no joy solenoid clicks and no life from the starter its seized hard (put power directly to the starter NOTHING)
uggggg. I decide to take it give him $75 plus the debt he owes me. I come back yet another day later (1.5+ hours each way. only 20 minutes from work but these are not my work days so its 3 hours round trip + each day) as luck (well not so lucky) would have it my versa trailer uses the same rim and tire. I take my nice new tire and put it on the boat and I make it 1/2 mile from his house to a plume of smoke coming from the trailer. Grrr I figure blown bearings I turn around and limp back at 5mph praying it don't fail or damage the spindle before I get back. 300ft from his place the tire shreds. I just keep going and park it.
Ugggghhhh. one more day. I come back with my brother to help tear the trailer apart and get the bearings and turns out the wheels still spin??? what the frak? the bearings need some loving (just going to replace) but its not the bearings the tire shredded on something
now. did it shred the other scuzzy nasty needs to be replace NOW tire on the trailer? NO. of course not. it shredded my nice new versa trailer tire. Grrrrr
goto my tire guy and get sticker shock and arrhythmia $65 just for the tire !! I don't have that kind of cash right now. $130 in tires plus install on rims! ouch. I check around nothing used or cheap anywhere and just for the heck of it I check my favorite goto place harbor freight. they have a 4.8 (versus 5.7) tire for $35 onsale for $30 and I have 25% off coupons up the wazoo. that is $22.50 a pop. 8" 4 lug rim like mine just a wee thinner (1" that will become ultra important in a moment)
rated for 560 that means 1100 pound max. no way this trailer and boat mass that much so it SHOULD be ok. I can always return if they don't fit (assuming I don't harm them)
they fit. and its a good thing I went this cheaper HF route. I discovered why the tire shredded. its a floating axle.
the axle had "shifted" to one side just a little bit so that the fatter 5.7x8 tire on that side was RUBBING against the inside of the rusty fender. that was the source of the smoke and the source of the shred. I can see the shiny metal spot where it was rubbing till it burst the tire
had I replaced the 5.7 without noticing this it would have simply shredded another tire. as luck would have it these thinner tires were JUST thin enough not to touch the frame and rub.
finally got the boat back to egg harbor (where I work)
I can relax for the moment. then the rains come. Uggggg. I want to try and get this in the water before winter. get so me use out of it before I properly fog it etc.. assuming it runs at all.
so I decide what the heck out comes the ajax with bleach and "berry" scent and I go out in the rain and give it a quickie scrubbing on the outside to get through the grime and see what I have.
its actually pretty darned nice.
I only cleaned up the top half only the outside not the inside or bottom of the hull yet but already its looking really nice.
the gel coat is in really nice shape all the cleats are clean and tight the windshield has zero issues its a decent "base" to work with.
the floor is a wreck badly done fiberglass overlay BUT it is "solid" no flex at all. the transom is rock solid and spotless. no serious damage at all except some rash in 1 or 2 spots (very minor) I am really liking this.
How about that motor. I was able to free it and I can rotate it by hand and I can feel compression. I found a starter rebuilt locally for $40 but two problems with that.
wrong bendex (he says I can swap them he being guy I bought the starter from) and I can not get the third bolt holding the starter in. its behind all the needle valves ?? at the back and I have zero confidence in my ability to dissassemble that with any chance of not screwing it up putting it back together. so when I get the motor looked over I will let him (mechanic) deal with that.
at least till I know what I am dealing with and have more skill with these engines.
6 image limit. See next post
