new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

Hi registeroot. I have a guess. Make sure that your throttle is turned all the way down for now, such that the armature plate on the underside of the magneto is out of the way of the shift bar. Based on the first half of your vid, it looks like the vertical, white shift bar is hitting the brass colored armature cam. It normally acts to prevent you from physically twisting the throttle past mid idle when in neutral. However, the armature can slip past the bar and get stuck. Try shifting gears and when you see the shift bar move away from the engine block, twist the throttle all the way down. This should move the plate counter clockwise and out of the way of the white vertical shift bar and allow it to have its full range of motion. Give it a shot and let us know what happens. Good luck.

Kfa 4303 thanks for the advice. I do think that you are onto something here, as the brass cam has not moved at all the whole time I have had this engine. I may have been barking up the wrong tree! The throttle linkage was disconnected from the flywheel base when I got this engine. I think you may be right! I will try to reconnect it all later. Thanks for the help everybody I'll post later.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

Yes whaler I removed and reinstalled the Phillips bolt. Thanks for the advice

 

[lindy46]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

Yes whaler I removed and reinstalled the Phillips bolt. Thanks for the advice

Did you get the pivot pin back in the hole in the shift yoke?

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

Did you get the pivot pin back in the hole in the shift yoke?

update! yes i did thanks for the suggestion linday.

kfa4303 was correct! the gear selector cam lever was hitting off the brass cam on the aramature! its shifts in and out of gear now that i have removed the plate that holds these. thanks so much i would not have suspected that the previous owner would have had this on incorrectly.

this engine had been messed with when i bought it. the flywheel was already removed , as was the coil plate.

i will have to put it all back together and see what else is wrong/needs replaced, but that is a major one out of the way now, thanks to all you guys.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

ok reassembling now to see what else is wrong . im just unsure as to where these two wires connect to.

they seem to run from one of the ignition leads.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

also the yellow/browny lead on the right hand side.

many thanks for looking

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

kinda stuck at the minute with this. i dont want to put the flywheel on , then find out i did something wrong. anybody know?

 

[lindy46]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

Trace the two black wires - if they are the kill circuit, one should go from the ignition switch "M" terrminal to one set of points. The other should go to the other "M" terminal via the cut-out switch and connect to the other set of points.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

ok i had a good look, and i can now see that my kill switch goes to my solenoid on the side of the engine. the two black wires come from tthe 'points' beside the coils.

im still stuck. i believe the solenoid to kill switch is correct as i have been told.

i kind of have to question everything on this motor, as all the wires and connections were loose when i bought it. so the previous owner has had a go at fixing it.

much appreciate the advice and help folks.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

ok. the two black wires come from the 'points'. does anybody know where these connect to?

the kill switch is wired to my solenoid. i think that is correct.

the 'tan' coloured switch is from my fwd start cut off switch. i.e. this will stop the engine starting in fwd gear. i think. i think that should go to the solenoid also.



any ideas anybody?

 

[lindy46]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

Not sure what you mean by the "Kill Switch" - the second picture is the cut-out switch, if that's what you're referring to. One of the black wires coming from the points should go to the center of that switch. Then there should be another black wire from the center of the switch going to one of the "M" terminals on your ignition switch. The side terminal on the cut-out switch should have two wires connected to it. One goes to the neutral safety switch (you refer to it as the "forward start cut-off switch"), and the other goes to the small solenoid terminal next to the large terminal which goes to the starter. The other black wire which connects to the other set of points goes directly to the other "M" terminal on the ignition switch.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

thanks for looking lindy. My motor does not have a starter motor. its pull start only.

the kill switch i was referring to is the big button switch on the front of the engine.

sorry for the incorrect terminology, i appreciate you trying to help. im still optimistic with getting this started with your help!

i only have these few wires, but if i could just get a picture of where they go i would be sorted!

 

[lindy46]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

For a pull start, wiring would be the same except the two black wires would go to the two terminals on the kill switch instead of the "M" terminals on an electric start keyswitch. Obviously, there will be no wire to the starter solenoid. Not sure what solenoid you're referring to if it's just a pull start.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

wired it as per this 28 horse. seems to have all the same parts as mine.

i had to oversize some bolt holes when removing water pump and shift rod coupler and shift rod coupler housing.

easy if you have a tap and wrench. It had to be done or else the casting wwas scrap.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

water pump housing with 1/4" dia bolts installed.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

also does anybody know if i can check the coils/ignition for spark before i install the flywheel? thanks

 

[Daviet]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

Flywheel has to be on to check spark, I have set the flywheel on and just spun it by hand to check spark.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

ok thanks Daviet. i did not know that. can i just 'set it on kinda loose or does it have to be torqued on?

 

[lindy46]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

Just set it on, and use a wrench on the flywheel nut to spin it over - you should see spark without having to spin it too fast.

 

[registeroot]

Re: new to me 40hp johnson 1969? stuck in gear

update. i decided to rebuild the ignition. i ordered the tune up kit consisting of condensors and points , and 2 new coils from the USA. the tune up kit has arrived today after 3 weeks, and now im waiting on the coils. i really hope i can get her going after this, as all the other issues 'seem' to be good.
i have bought some 7mm copper 'ignition' wire to replace the original spark plug leads.
it seems my new wire is totally copper and very little insulation as opposed to the original.
i have attached a pic and would appreciate opinions. would this be ok?