No comments on Libby?

[PW2]

No one wants to comment on Libby being indicted?<br /><br />I'm disappointed! I hear bunches of pundits trying to spin this as a "technicality" and that is simply incredible to me.<br /><br />How can you get more serious than lying to investigators, and lying to a grand jury, on a matter of national security?<br /><br />Sadly, it does appear that he was successful, for now at least, in obstructing justice.<br /><br />I read the indictment, and it seemed to me a reasonably clumsy and transparent attempt at deceiving investigators, and from what I have heard of Libby, he may be a lot of things, but he is neither clumsy nor transparent. So you have to ask why now?<br /><br />I don't know the answer, but one has to assume he is purposefully falling on his sword to protect someone. Hopefully, someday we will learn the whole story.<br /><br />I can't wait for the trial, and the thought of getting Cheney and Fleischer et al on the witness stand, and under oath. It could be seriously informative

 

[alden135]

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I sometimes buy Libby canned vegtables but often the store brand are just as good.

 

[JB]

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Why comment? He has been tried and convicted in the media, now you have tried and convicted him here.

 

[KaGee]

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Ah yes, the criminalization of politics. <br /><br />Levy all kinds of allegations against your enemy, demand an investigation, hope to intrap somebody in the process.<br /><br />Two years, millions of dollars, and NO answers to the original questions.<br /><br />Just another tool for the Left to use to try to regain power that they otherwise can't do at the ballot box.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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No comment here as I shake my head in disbelief of the system. Prior to this administration the president lied under oath and nothing was done. Yep double standards. <br /><br />I feel most americans want progress for the country, not bickering between the parties. It is getting us nowhere except wasting more of our earned money.

 

[rodbolt]

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well the investigation isnt over yet. if crimminal acts were performed I would hope the max penaltiues would be levied as the persons involved are on the public payroll and we should expect the best from them. if the behave in a crimminal manner while on the public dole it should be punished. clinton should have gone to jail, or at least a bit of roadside cleanup in an inmmate suit. the poor runaway bride lied to a cop, something a lot of folks do, clinton lied under oath. clinton walked and the runaway bride got fried. if libby attempted to obstruct an investigation he should fry. same if he lied. as should cheney,Rove and anyone else that performs crimminal acts.<br /> however its not known if anyone performed any crimminal acts just that a jury believes there is enough evidence for a trial.<br /> anyone can accuse anybody of about anything. it will be up to a trail to make a determination. I just gotta see if a presidential pardon before a trail is brought into play.<br /> its funny how many repub neocons said nothing of the crimminalization of politics when clinton was hounded and we spent millions on a white house blow job. I could not care if clinton would have hired 4 lap dancers and a brace of **********s for a full court oval office orgy. I dont care<br /> what I did care about is if your busted your busted. other than some minor adultry laws clintons huffer had no leagal ramifications. lying to a jury under oath does. if you lie about blowjobs and military service,or lack of, and prior drug use what real stuff would you lie about ??<br /> me ill hold off laughing until after a trail. need to wait and see if official A gets indicted as well.

 

[KRS]

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why comment.... it's just beginning and we know nothing

 

[K5WAS]

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"How can you get more serious than lying to investigators, and lying to a grand jury, on a matter of national security?"<br /><br />Appearently there was no security breach, the women was not undercover nor had been for over 5 years. She drove thru the CIA gate every day in her own car. Her neighbors knew that she was a CIA agent, she did'nt attempt to hide that fact. That is why there will be no inditements for "outing" a undercover agent.

 

[PW2]

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OK, so why did Libby (allegedly)try to cover it up?<br /><br />And JB, how can you say I have tried and convicted him here?<br /><br />I said I can't wait for the trial. I have no problem with presuming him innocent. I just want the facts to come out.<br /><br />If he did nothing wrong, he has nothing to worry about, right?

 

[rodbolt]

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good to see K5was is so much in the know about our national security and who is and is not a covert agent. does that mean all the janitorial staff and food concession staff that drives in and out each day are agents as well? if so just take photos at the entrance to every FBI,CIA,DIA and other agencys and all will know who is who. knowing is one thing having it confirmed by a top level whitehouse spoksman is quite another.<br />the forthcoming trial and other possible indictments may prove interesting.

 

[POINTER94]

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Lying has become so commonplace and almost acceptable in todays society. Lying in court, rationalizations for lies, lying in elections, lying for the "good". Lying to cops, judges, the american people. It is one of the things in today's society that makes me sick to my stomch. It is interesting how the decline in our confidence in government coincides with the increased acceptability of liars. Except we don't call them liars, we call them "spin" jockey's.<br /><br />If this guy lied to the special prosecutor than hang him high and make an example out of him. Based on what I know he is accused of lying about something he didn't even have to lie about. But the path of greatest ease is the american way it seems. Defining deviancy down. Does it erode confidence in this administration. Yes. Does it reflect negatively on W and the VP. Yes.

 

[mrbscott19]

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br /> Ah yes, the criminalization of politics. <br /><br />Levy all kinds of allegations against your enemy, demand an investigation, hope to intrap somebody in the process.<br /><br />Two years, millions of dollars, and NO answers to the original questions.<br /><br />Just another tool for the Left to use to try to regain power that they otherwise can't do at the ballot box.

Well, just to clear something up since you obviously don't have all the facts you should, the CIA requested the DOJ to investigate all of this, not the big bad liberals.<br /><br />Sounds to me like you're trying to politicize crime.

 

[K5WAS]

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Rodbolt, what I said about Joe Wilson's wife has been reported in the news for months. No one except you has refuted those reports. Now why don't you tell us how you know that she IS a covert agent?

 

[roscoe]

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He told the reporters he had heard she was cia from other reporters. But that he didn't know if she was.<br /><br />He told the grand jury the same thing.<br /><br />He allegedly did know she was cia, as everyone else did. It had been published in 2001 on the internet, and her husband introduced her as his cia agent wife.<br /><br />Had he said " I can't confirm or deny that" instead of "I don't know that", then he would be in the clear. <br /><br />It does seem like much ado about symantics to me.<br /><br />In the press conference yesterday, the prosecuter said "and we know who leaked...." referring to who made the initial leak of her identity. So why then has no one been charged with the leak, as this was the original target of the investigation?<br /><br />Please tell me how this is a matter of national security?<br /><br />Its not like he was selling nuke secrets to China. Oh wait, that was another administration.

 

[DJ]

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If I took two years + and spent that kind of money and got those results. I deserve to be FIRED!<br /><br />Maybe it's because there was nothing there to begin with. Could BE!

 

[K5WAS]

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The law that the investigation was based on clearly states the covert agent had to be undercover within the previous 5 years for a violation of that law to occur. She had not worked as a covert agent for at least 5 years previous to the alleged "outing", more than 7 years at the present time. DJ is correct, there probably wasn't any violation there to begin with.

 

[POINTER94]

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Investingating the Plame issue is a joke. Wilson, a proven liar, is a joke. Wilsons report obtained while sipping mint tea with his buddies on his little government subsidized junkit, is a joke. Valarie being an under-cover agent is a joke. With all this going against them, I would have to indict anyone who would lie about this issue for stupidity as well. Just like watergate, or monicagate, it wasn't the act itself, it was the coverup.

 

[rodbolt]

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I dont know if she was covert or not. but I did watch fox news where several,including Rove and a white house spoksman said she was covert at the time. thats why I am waiting for the trail, indictments are just that. like I say anyone can blame anybody for anything. but according to the CIA in 03 she was still covert. that will most likly be determined at trial as well.<br /> I agree with pointer about the lying though. its reprehinsiple nough and more so in a public appointed or elected official.<br /> however once the CIA asked the DOJ to investigate the ball was rolling. seems somefolks were not quite forthcoming and may have done crimminal acts after the investigation started. no one on this board most likly has access to the info fitzgerald came up with. but most likly we will soon see it, well maybe in another 2 years. and even GeeHaw said on the telly with his own mouth if not his words that she had ben "outed". so thats about all I can go on for now. I mean if ya cant trust what the president said who can ya trust?<br />remember the speech about firing anyone in the administration found to have leaked the name and caused the outing? I do, many speeches about it.<br /> K5was<br /> maybe you can direct us to a CIA approved site that lists Plames previous CIA posts back to where she was covert. would make interesting reading.

 

[PierBridge]

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You guy's are amusing.<br /><br />Just to bring you up to speed here is what happened.<br /><br />The Bush administration outed the CIA wife of one of the Bush administrations critics, and then the conspirators, Cheney, Rove, obstructed Justice along with other Felony's and now Cheney's chief of staff will take the fall for the Felony's committed by himself, Carl Rove and Richard Cheney.<br /><br /><br />But don't forget Clinton lied about getting a blow job in the Whitehouse...So it's a WASH....LOL

 

[jimonica]

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lol! that was good PierBridge!