No Spark, feels like I’ve tried everything.

alldodge

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3: I jumped from the battery to the purple wire going into the coil yesterday and that yielded no spark as well. Also it was 12 volts dropping to 10 upon first crank and then at a consistent interval while cranking it was going from 10-5-10-5 as the motor turned over
I don't think it's the coil, but with coil voltage on purple wire switching like the above mentioned is a problem
 

MrHProblems

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My boat was only getting 9V to the coil on the purple wire and I was getting interference on the VHF. I found a voltage drop across the dead man switch so bridged the dead man switch. This much improved the low voltage issue, it was then getting >11V at the coil with the engine running but that's still a drop of a few Volts, it also slightly improved the VHF interference. I then found the purple wire was partially corroded in the engine bay around the area where the factory or a previous owner had connected an engine hour meter (hour meter mounted on the engine), I fixed that and was getting only a 1V drop from battery Voltage to the coil (11V with ignition on engine not running, 12 to 13V with engine running).

I knew there was a simple way of improving both the Voltage drop to the coil and the interference... by fitting a relay. In the engine bay I cut the purple wire to the coil, fitted a relay and wired it so the purple wire from the ignition switch activates the relay. The relay switches power directly from the main 12V feed at the engine to the coil, so now there is no voltage drop at the coil, it gets whatever battery Voltage is. This totally fixed the VHF interference. It also prevents the alternator over-charging the battery(s), the alternator Voltage sense wire connects to the purple wire.
not sure what info I am supposed to be taking from this?
 

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Crossposted*

From the main battery cable to the Purple wire just before entering the coil I have a 29.4 Kiloohm resistance reading...

Also I have a steady 10v reading while cranking on that purple wire when everything is hooked up normally.
When directly jumped to the battery I only get an 11v reading while cranking from the purple wire.
 

2004 searay

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at this point i think you should be looking at that new distributor/module. its possible it was DOA

most good auto part stores can test the module . they also may have a module tester to loan out
 

MrHProblems

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Crossposted*

From the main battery cable to the Purple wire just before entering the coil I have a 29.4 Kiloohm resistance reading...

Also I have a steady 10v reading while cranking on that purple wire when everything is hooked up normally.
When directly jumped to the battery I only get an 11v reading while cranking from the purple wire.
After messing around with the wiring and undoing some electrical tape and such I know have a reading a 1.3 ohms from main cable to primary side of coil which is still a little high I believe.
 

MrHProblems

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at this point i think you should be looking at that new distributor/module. its possible it was DOA

most good auto part stores can test the module . they also may have a module tester to loan out
About to swap the old module back in and see what happens, also have a new module coming within the week as well.
 

2004 searay

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here is a great video, you should pull your dist and coil and run this test, once you confirm you have spark on a bench, then you can move onto primary voltage

 

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UPDATE:

Spark was achieved on the bench test with the old Ignition Module, new cap/rotor/etc and new coil/spark plug wire.

I have a tee time I have to get to but after I am done on the course I will be retiming the motor and reinstalling the distributor and coil and hoping for spark.
 

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not sure what info I am supposed to be taking from this?

I quoted Scott06 who suggested connecting the purple wire that connects to the coil directly to battery positive for testing purposes.

Fitting the relay effectively does the same as what Scott06 suggested but does it automatically whenever the ignition is turned on, the purple wire is connected to battery positive (main cable) by the relay when I turn the ignition on. There is less of a voltage drop from battery to coil using the relay than there would be with standard wiring even if the dead man switch, ignition switch and all wiring were new because using the relay the length of wire to the coil from the battery is much shorter than running from the battery to the helm (and from the helm back to the coil) and the power for the ignition coil doesn't run through the dead man switch or ignition switch.

You more recently said you're measuring 1.3Ohms from main cable to purple wire, this will cause a voltage drop to the coil because the coil has low resistance of somewhere between 0.4 and 2 Ohms. It's possible to calculate the voltage at the coil, the wire resistance and the coil resistance form a voltage divider circuit... If the supply is 12V, wiring resistance is 1.3Ohms and coil resistance is 0.4Ohms the coil will only get 2.8V. If the supply is 12V, wire 1.3Ohms and coil 2Ohms the coil will get 7.27V. If the supply is 12V, wire 1.3Ohms and coil 1.3Ohms the coil will get 6V. A 30 Amp rated automotive relay might have coil resistance of 90 Ohms so if the supply is 12V, wire to relay 1.3 Ohms, the relay coil will get 11.8V which is still enough to switch the relay on. The relay is wired to switch power directly from the main cable to the purple wire at the coil, there is very little resistance on that connection so very little voltage drop to the the coil.

I would wire mine with a relay even if I hadn't had problems with the ignition because the other benefit is that the alternator doesn't overcharge the battery(s). The alternator voltage sense wire also connects to the purple wire, so if (say) there's only 9V at the purple wire because of some resistance in the purple wire (that's powering the coil) the alternator will see the battery as being at only 9V and will try to charge it to (say) 14.5V. When the purple wire is only powering the relay (not driving the coil directly) it will be at 11.8V not 9V, just a 0.2V drop instead of a 3V drop, so the alternator won't overcharge the battery(s). If there's a 3V drop on the alternator voltage sense wire and the alternator is supposed to charge at 14.5V it will be trying to charge to 14.5+3V = 17.5V which is overcharging the battery(s). I've been told there was a bulletin advising owners to connect the alternator voltage sense wire direct to the battery instead of to the purple wire to prevent overcharging, my relay setup kills two birds with one stone because it fixes voltage drop to the coil (without having to investigate kill switch or ignition switch issues) and fixes alternator overcharging without needing to move the alternator voltage sense wire. I'm not sure I'd want to permanently wire the alternator voltage sense wire to the battery, don't know if that would cause some parasitic drain on the battery with the engine turned off, using the relay when the ignition is turned off it also breaks the connection between the battery and alternator voltage sense wire.
 
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