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Silvertip

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Re: octane

Ethanol is a "political" solution to a "mythical" problem. The do gooder politicians want to make us safe from the evil oil giants by adding ethanol to the fuel so we don't need to import as much oil. The previous statements about replacement of some nasty additives is also one of the reasons. It also makes the politicians and tree huggers feel good because it is a cleaner fuel. Never mind the energy it took to produce the stuff and the fossil fuel (gas and diesel) it took to transport it. Ethanol cannot be piped long distances as it is corrosive to standard pipelines. Fact is, it costs a bunch to produce, uses lots of water, and is heavily subsidized because corn is used to create the ethanol and if the corn is removed from the food supply, that makes food more expensive. It also reduces fuel economy so, in my case, the E85 for example needs to be at least 40 cents/gal cheaper than regular to make it pay. It is typically 50 - 55 cents cheaper. The issue with ethanol is older engines do not have fuel system components that are ethanol tolerant. Those parts include fuel lines and carburetor seals and gaskets. Replace them with modern components and clean the carbs and go boating. Ethanol also is an excellent fuel system cleaner so the decades of gunk that has built up in fuel tanks and carbs gets loosened up and dumped into filters and small carb passages.
 

F_R

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Re: octane

Ethanol: People with oil wells on their land hate it. People with corn on their land love it. Reminds me of the cattlemen VS the farmers in the old west.
 

ralphl

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dont own an oil well and dont grow corn ...but I do feel better informed thanks to some savvy guys on this forum. Bottom line... use the corn **** if thats all you can get and avoid it whenever you can.. THANKS
 

RicMic

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As said, its nothing more than the old politician, "lets pretend we are doing something". I read an article about ethanol production and the costs, I cost over $8 per gallon to produce ethanol, which is subsidized by us. Why are they building ethanol production plants and then shutting them down a few years later? They take all the subsidies and tax breaks and when they run out, they shut the place down, quite a scam.
 

tx1961whaler

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As said, its nothing more than the old politician, "lets pretend we are doing something". I read an article about ethanol production and the costs, I cost over $8 per gallon to produce ethanol, which is subsidized by us. Why are they building ethanol production plants and then shutting them down a few years later? They take all the subsidies and tax breaks and when they run out, they shut the place down, quite a scam.
Alcohol does not cost 8 bucks a gallon to produce. Please, if you will, give the source of this info. I can go out and buy ethanol, methanol and the like much cheaper than 8 bucks a gallon retail, and have for decades before any susidies existed.
 
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