Ok it's a troll...... : O Please forgive me.

JGREGORY

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But it's true and for someone to go into the lions den and say what they said is a true act of courage. I will let you decide. (except plywoody I already know what his response will be.) ;) :p ;) :p ;) ..............................................................................................................................<br /><br />The Rev. Joe Wright opened a Kansas legislative session with a controversial prayer. <br />Status: True. <br /><br />Example: [Collected on the Internet, 1999] <br /><br />When Minister Joe Wright was asked to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual generalities, but this is what they heard: <br />"Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask Your forgiveness and to seek Your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. We confess that. <br /><br />We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it Pluralism. <br /><br />We have worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism. <br /><br />We have endorsed perversion and called it alternative lifestyle. <br /><br />We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. <br /><br />We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare. <br /><br />We have killed our unborn and called it choice. <br /><br />We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable. <br /><br />We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem. <br /><br />We have abused power and called it politics. <br /><br />We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition. <br /><br />We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression. <br /><br />We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment. <br /><br />Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent to direct us to the center of Your will, to open ask it in the name of Your Son, the living Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen" <br /><br />The response was immediate. A number of legislators walked out during the prayer in protest. In 6 short weeks, Central Christian Church, where Rev.Wright is pastor, logged more than 5,000 phone calls with only 47 of those calls responding negatively. The church is now receiving international requests for copies of this prayer from India, Africa, and Korea. <br /><br />Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on "The Rest of the Story" on the radio and received a larger response to this program than any other he has ever aired. <br /><br />With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our desire so that we again can be called one nation under God. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Origins: Yes, <br />this item is basically true as quoted above. Back in January of 1996, the Rev. Joe Wright, senior pastor of the 2,500-member Central Christian Church in Wichita, was invited to offer the opening prayer at a session of the Kansas House of Representatives (not the Kansas Senate, as claimed in the text), and the prayer he offered was this one (which differs somewhat from the version cited in the text above): <br /><br />Heavenly Father, we come before you to ask your forgiveness. We seek your direction and your guidance. We know your word says, "Woe to those who call evil good." But that's what we've done. <br />We've lost our spiritual equilibrium. We have inverted our values. We have ridiculed the absolute truth of your word in the name of moral pluralism. We have worshiped other gods and called it multiculturalism. <br /><br />We have endorsed perversion and called it an alternative lifestyle. <br /><br />We've exploited the poor and called it a lottery. We've neglected the needy and called it self-preservation. We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare. In the name of choice, we have killed our unborn. In the name of right to life, we have killed abortionists. <br /><br />We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem. We have abused power and called it political savvy. We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it taxes. We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression. We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment. <br /><br />Search us, oh, God, and know our hearts today. Try us. Show us any wickedness within us. Cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent here by the people of the State of Kansas, and that they have been ordained by you to govern this great state. <br /><br />Grant them your wisdom to rule. May their decisions direct us to the center of your will. And, as we continue our prayer and as we come in out of the fog, give us clear minds to accomplish our goals as we begin this Legislature. For we pray in Jesus' name, Amen. <br /><br />Rev. Wright had been invited to serve as the House's guest chaplain by Rep. Anthony Powell, a Wichita Republican who was also a member of Wright's church. Accordingly, Rev. Wright composed a prayer, read it at the opening of the legislature on January 23, and departed, unaware of the ruckus he had created until his church secretary called him on his car phone to ask him what he had done. <br />Reportedly, one Democrat (not "a number of legislators") walked out in protest, three others gave speeches critical of Wright's prayer, and another blasted Wright's "message of intolerance." House Minority Leader Tom Sawyer (also a Democrat) asserted that the prayer "reflects the extreme, radical views that continue to dominate the House Republican agenda since right-wing extremists seized control of the House Republican caucus last year." Rep. Jim Long, a Democrat from Kansas City, said that Wright "made everyone mad." But Rep. Powell, who had invited Wright in the first place, claimed that House Democrats were only trying to make political points with their criticism and affirmed that he supported the theme of the prayer. <br /><br />Rev. Wright said afterwards: "I certainly did not mean to be offensive to individuals, but I don't apologize for the truth." His staff stopped counting the telephone calls that came from every state and many foreign countries after the first 6,500. Wright appeared on dozens of radio shows and was the subject of numerous TV and print news reports, and his prayer stirred up controversy all over again when it was read by the chaplain coordinator in the Nebraska legislature the following month. Wright later explained, "I thought I might get a call from an angry congressman or two, but I was talking to God, not them. The whole point was to say that we all have sins that we need to repent -- all of us . . . The problem, I guess, is that you're not supposed to get too specific when you're talking about sin." <br /><br />What to make of all the fuss? Syndicated religion columnist Terry Mattingly probably explained it best when he wrote: "The easy answer is that he read a prayer about sin. The complicated answer is that Wright jumped into America's tense debate about whether some things are always right and some things are always wrong." <br /><br />Some people get upset when politics intrude into religion; others are irritated when religion intrudes into politics. As in war, the "intruder" is always the guy on the other side.
 

oddjob

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Re: Ok it's a troll...... : O Please forgive me.

The Rev has a very catchy name....
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Re: Ok it's a troll...... : O Please forgive me.

Originally posted by oddjob:<br />The Rev has a very catchy name....
"Watch ya talkin about Willis"
 

ChrisMcLaughlin

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Re: Ok it's a troll...... : O Please forgive me.

All nice and true but will it change things??
 

JGREGORY

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Re: Ok it's a troll...... : O Please forgive me.

Probably not trblshtr. Well then again if enough of the silent majority feel this way and get on the band wagon it just may. <br /><br />Either way I thought it was cool that smeone went to the leg. and said a prayer like this. Noticed who was all upset didn't you.? :rolleyes:
 

SoulWinner

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Re: Ok it's a troll...... : O Please forgive me.

It's a good prayer. We should say this once a day.
 

SoulWinner

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BTW JG, "this is an obvious troll" :D
 

JGREGORY

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You see Soulwinner, I am trolling for the infamous plywoody fish. ;) He's an elusive character. Likes to hide in "bush's" and jumps out to take a bite out of the conservative fisherman. ;) <br /><br />So to catch him you must troll conservative bait. to which this. Once you Catch the elusive plywoody fish there's not much you can do with him. He puts up a hell of a fight but when you land him there just isn't any substance there. So you have two choices. <br /><br />1. Let him go because you know you'll have just has much catching him another day. <br /><br />or<br /><br />2. Club him with your shark bat and put him out of his misery. ;) :p <br /><br />Personally I'm a catch and release kind of guy. ;) :D <br /><br />I know I'm safe I'm a libertarian. :p :p
 

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Re: Ok it's a troll...... : O Please forgive me.

jg,<br /><br />I think I just soiled myself... :D :D :D
 

plywoody

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Well, I am sorry for the delay, but some of us actually have to work for a living, and can't play on the internet all day. (BTW, if you need plywood and have not bought it, be prepared to curse the greedy plywood and OSB producers)<br /><br />Anyway, that is the most un-American bunch of drivel I have ever seen. What possibly gives you and your mono-theistic religious superstitions a dominant place in this country? It is precisely what the founding fathers were so valiantly trying to avoid when the wrote the constitution and the Bill of Rights.<br /><br />Freedom, my friends, is not freedom if and only if you believe as I do--Freedom is the ability to beleive as you choose, irrespective of what others believe, and what percentage they make up of the population. Sometimes that makes some in society uncomfortable. Too bad!<br /><br />Clearly with Revs like this, and Paul Harvey and his ilk to give them wide distribution, the need for the ACLU to protect the rest of us seems secure.
 

dhud64

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I think I'll puke now!
 

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Re: Ok it's a troll...... : O Please forgive me.

What possibly gives you and your mono-theistic religious superstitions a dominant place in this country? It is precisely what the founding fathers were so valiantly trying to avoid when the wrote the constitution and the Bill of Rights.
On this you are in error. The ‘seperation of church and state’ was invented by a super-legislature (Supreme Court) in 1964(?). Prior to that the gov’t could not ‘require’ participation in religion.
 

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Hi Plywoody,<br /><br />I don't mean to derail this thread, but I recall you are familiar with operations of mills in Canada and the US. Obviously you are very knowledgeable about the softwood issue. I'm wondering if your comment above has anything to do with that. I had heard average Americans are paying much more than they should be for wood products because of the softwood agreement, but I'm sure you'd be the expert on that. <br />(I have no affiliation with the industry)
 

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Hmmm...error, huh?<br /><br />That's interesting. The Supreme court constitutional duty as founded was to be an independent body to ensure that politicians, presidents, and the general populace do not vary from the constitution and the intent of the founding fathers when making laws. Their decisions form precedent and become the law of the land.<br /><br />While they are just people, and can make errors as well, and they have made errors, all things being equal, I would tend to give 9 justices trained in the interpretation of the constitution just a bit more weight than your interpretation--especially in light of the fact that what they say is law, while what you say is solely personal opinion. <br /><br />And SW, you asked for a reply to the troll--each and every item in that list of prayers is specifically unconstitutional.<br /><br />Oh, and don't "puke" on my account. I did not invent the plywood prices--I just charge them.
 

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I sure am glad my house if finished - the price of plywood and OSB was high enough!<br /><br />Yes, the Founding Fathers wanted freedom of religion. They had gone through that in England and didn't want to have it happen here. They did not want the church to establish a state sponsored church - have gone through this before, look up the post.<br /><br />What they did not want was freedom for every religion and ideology except Christianity, which is what appears to be happening today, not at the grass roots level, but the "intellectual" level.
 

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Somebody, quick! make with the shark bat! Fish on! :D
 

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I'm glad I know someone in the wood business.<br />Still get my plywood for about $6.00 a sheet.<br /><br />He has not said anything as of yet about rate increase.<br /><br />Forget the bat, get the 30.06. :p
 
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