Once again, Chevy has a great deal -

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 30, 2003

For reasons unbeknownst to me, I have been prosstituted, I mean, persecuted over a post so .... they are offering 4000 cash back on the 2003 S10, which aint a bad little truck, just have to squish my sizeable azz into it, lol finally have a brand new vehicle to do my 2000 mile oil change experiment in, which basically says that if you change the oil 50 times in 100,000 miles, the engine will be like brand new, no leaks, no wear, nothing wrong, cause you are never letting any wear occur thru suspended particulates, oil always clean, never sheared, and since walmart does the super tech oil change for 12 bucks, its cheap insurance, just about as cheap as doin it yourself good deal to me! I guess 10 40 is good stuff these days, when I was younger and 10 40 technology was new, there was carbonization issues, but I guess those have been long since resolved! hell, its new, go with 5 - 30 oil auto trans is a grand tho, what a rip off! air is free tho, so its ok

aspeck · Oct 30, 2003

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Congrats on your new GMC, er, Chebby!

NOSLEEP · Oct 30, 2003

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Most new vehicles (Domestic) use 5w20 oil today.

SpinnerBait_Nut · Oct 30, 2003

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Well Ray, thats a far cry from a Burb, huh? Beware of Wal-Mart people that do your oil changes. They do have a bad habit of not getting the oil drain plug tight enough and before you know it, you start seeing little drops of oil on your driveway and can't figure why your new truck is leaking oil. Enjoy the new ride.

neumanns · Oct 30, 2003

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Should be a nice truck for ya castaway, want me to put a ding in the door at wal-mart so ya dont feel so bad when you put the first one in it?

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 30, 2003

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well, I gave it a go, the fit is superb, the ride is aiight, but we are clashing over the price, hes not budging on the MSRP, I think I should have him get the invoice, see what the company has into the truck its a 2003, been sitting cause its basically a stripper, but its a PRETTY dammned thing, black with a gray interior, and those stylized wheels that look like twisted keystone mags

and a shot of the mags

roomy thing, aint it? behind the wheel it was more comfy than that 97 SUBURBAN, go figure THAT one out!

When GM makes those cash back deals, they are incentives funded by the HQ, that isnt something that comes out of the dealership is it? My thought is, they are using the incentive to disavow themsieves as having to bargain on the MSRP since its a bare bones, and therefore undesireable - after all it IS a leftover - I think they should dikker(dammn CENSORS!!)

from the suggested retail and then give the incentives - the list is 19990 plus all the usual shiot, I imagine 2 grand off their end woundnt kill the company at least, if they want to sell the thing, I guess they dont mind it hanging around the lot!

PS I know the pictures arent the best, but they are the phone camera, kinda limited but gets the idea across!

norman158 · Oct 30, 2003

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Ray if they dont want to deal with you on it try this,go down the road to the next Chevy dealer tell them the truck you want is at ABC chev. i want this truck and this is what i am willing to pay for it and see if they will have it transfered to them and sell it to you.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 30, 2003

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ah, ok ... makes me wonder why they wouldnt just drop the price, the other company isnt going to give them full price and then knock a few grand off for me I was always told there is 30 percent built into the price, and not for nothin, but TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS seems like a hell of a lot for a leftover little S10 four banger - I mean, yeah, its got some goodies, but 20 grand? sheesh! thats up there in The Other Guys baby four wheeler territory, grand vitara and that kia 4 WD, and no doubt others, seems a bit odd to me is all any ex new car salesmen on here? Cash incentives paid by the manufacturer?

Boomyal · Oct 30, 2003

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Castaway: I'd do some serious checking on that price. $19.9k + for a scrunchy little chev s-10? I'd be looking at pricing on other brands as a comparison b4 I shell out that kinda green. As to trying to buy that particular vehicle from another dealer, that's called a "dealer trade". They don't pay any kind of mark up. Those vehicles are all financed thru GMAC. They just trade the paper plus any actual dealer installed accessories that might of been added. The original dealer doesn't have to give it up but if he does he doesn't make anything. Just get the vin #, another dealer can find it on his computer and you could make your deal b4 he even tries to get it. As to your 2000 mi experiment. I like mine better. 1997 Ford E150, 4.6 L overhead cam V-8 with 164,000 mi on it. Constantly running between 1000 and 1400 lbs over gross vehicle weight. I have never changed the oil since 6000 mi. I run Amsoil 0-w30 synthetic. Every 4-5000 mi it uses 1/2 quart of oil. Every 20,000 mi. I change the factory filter and the by-pass filter then top it off with two new quarts. I put one set of plugs in it at 102,000, cleaned the K&N air filter 3 times and that is it, oh one idler arm. Beats standing in line at wal-mart any day. Good luck getting a new rig.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 30, 2003

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hey there Boomy, I like that idea, ive heard some rants against amsoil in outboards, but the idea of synthetic in an engine seem aiight to me! the reason its a deal is that there is a 4000 dollar cash back, and 750 dollar loyalty rebate (mom has a cavalier, 2001) AND a GM card deal of 2 more grand, so it knocks 7 grand off, not too shabby but still, thats 14 grand, eh ... i dunno, for 7 grand I can rebuild my 79 van (Ford, full size, supremely comfortable with captains chairs and Club Wagon trim level, inside already paneled and with the matching rear bench seat)with 97 parts, the body is rust free, so is the frame, and the AC blasts out nice cold air. On the other hand, I run things into the ground, that S 10 would be in for a long haul, but the impression I got on the test ride today was impressive, that 2.2 liter unbroken in engine (12 miles on the clock) pulled great with the air on, effortless 75 cruise, no reason why it wouldnt go many many thousands of miles Im locked into GM if I want new, and GMC seems to be a pricer vehicle, ridiculous considering they are badge engineered, swap badges and steering wheel air bag covers, no difference but point taken, Ill go shop around, there is a guy that works there who is a friend of the folks at the bar, but he sure didnt get a break going! about that amsoil ... you are running a double oil filter? the remote kit? hmmmm, gives me an idea for a post!

TwoBallScrewBall · Oct 31, 2003

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Castaway, I got my 2002 S-10 (not a leftover when I bought it) in May, 2002 for $20,500. It's an extended cab, flare side, V6, all power, auto trans, and has the factory lowered suspension and racing stripes. I say look around, that price sounds like it can move. And yes, the rebates are "factory to dealer" rebates so they should 'dikker' on it just as much as if there is no rebate. And the black with grey interior is a pretty truck, that's what mine is.

NOSLEEP · Oct 31, 2003

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Use the 10% rule of thumb. Take the M.S.R.P manufacturers retail price. deduct the 10%. Now you are in range of dealer invoice. Deduct all dealer and customer rebates. Now you know close to what the dealer cost is. add $500.00 for dealer profit, and you should be able to buy buy yourself a new truck at a great price.

Boomyal · Oct 31, 2003

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Castaway: My purpose of suggesting looking at other brands was not so much a suggestion to buy but to be armed with comparison pricing. You out to go look at a ford ranger with similar engine and equipment. As to the Amsoil (i'm not a dealer) I run 0-w30 in my E-150, my 454 suburban, my 65 ford mustang, and 15-40w in my 302 omc. All have amsoil's spin on oem filter and their spin on bypass filter kit. As to the 2 cycle, I won't get into that discussion, today, as I have no experience since my 1979 100hp Evinrude. Ran that one, till I sold the boat (10 x 30 ft double deck open houseboat) in 1988 on Amsoil 100:1. Never even changed the plugs in that time. That old 'rude would fire up every spring after two cranks on the key, with no smoke and all my buds, would be wearin their batteries down and blowin clouds of smoke once they finally caught on. You just had to make sure that you mixed a new tank full well b4 using it. And yes, I had a device to accurately measure the mix so there were no mistakes in ratio.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 31, 2003

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update: called mall chevy, local dealer he said, dammn RIGHT we are dealing, come on in, well get ya in a truck, its the end of the month and the manager wants a bonus my inner cynic said, yeah, Standard Line 231, but the proof is in the Bottom Line The poor guy, what he doesnt know is I am bringing the East Coasts most notorious haggler, her opening line is Hi, I want to see the invoice on this vehicle, lol - of course, they may be wise to this tactic and have a dummy invoice written up what is the tow rating on an S 10 anyway? 4 banger that is! eh, one way or another

NOSLEEP · Oct 31, 2003

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Pretty hard for you to get the upperhand on them as they sell vehicles every day , and I would assume you only buy them once in a while. Don't bring a lot lawyer. That will only cost ya!

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 31, 2003

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between the cash back deal and the customer loyalty thing thats five grand right off the top throw in some haggling and a couple of grand on a gm card cashback yeah, Ill drive a chevy! cute lil truck! Once I have Big Shot status as a counselor, lol, yeah I know it dont pay much - I can take on the payments of a more suitable set of wheels I gotta admit tho, I hit some bumps, soaked em up, went down the road at a little over seventy (traffic, or I would have run it to 80) quiet, composed, straight down the road and I dont know what a starcraft weighs, but its a thousand pounds at most, and thats with both engines on er, 1200 with tanks full and an ice chest I towed the twin to Chugboat annie with a Vega, this thing has a smaller engine but is WAY more powerful and ... well, if the price is right on the 4.3 ... the kid brother is going to get his Infinity headlights sucked out, lol

which is standard on the 4 by 4

aspeck · Oct 31, 2003

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Nosleep has the numbers down for you. One thing he didn't mention was the 2.5 - 3% that should come off the price because it is a "left-over". And because the dealers want to get them off their lot and quite paying interest on them you should be able to reduce the $500 to about $200. If the price is $19,900 even, tell the dealer you will give him $17,500 minus the $7,000 in incentives, now you are in the $10,500 area for your new Chevy. That is if the $19,900 is the MSRP on the sticker and does not include any dealer add-ons. These are high mark-up items, so they can pretty much be avoided. My family owned a GM dealership for 43 years. We sold it 12 years ago. You should be on the money with those figures. The cash incentives burn me up! The Manufacturer builds them into the price of the car, which raises the cost to the dealer, which means he has to pay more interest on the vehicle to have it sit in stock. Manufacturer and the finance company are the ones that make out with the incentives. And yes, the dealer must pay for the car before it rolls of the truck and onto his dealership. So all those cars that are parked there, they are being financed at the dealers expense. Now the Manufacturer does give "free days" to encourage dealers to stock vehicles, but those days are not long. So a dealer loves it when a car rolls onto and off the dealership lot in a couple of days.

NOSLEEP · Oct 31, 2003

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Aspeck.. The hold back money, we dont give that up easily.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Oct 31, 2003

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they sure didnt, I had to fight like hell to get the guy to go 5 % off, 973 bucks off the list price, and I told him to take the tonneu cover off after MUCH haggling, we are hung up between the 14700 he wants to go and the 13700 I want to pay I said, it should go for ten percent less cause its a leftover he said well, its still 2003, and its a 2003 I said, pal, listen, I used to sell used cars, cars dont go by the calendar, they go by detroit - 2004's are OUT, 2003 is a left over, its a stripper and people dont want em, or ya wouldnt still have it on your lot! well, we dont count them as leftovers til January arent you guys tired of having that thing take up space where a nice new 2004 Avalanche would go? I can go 13,700, THAT will get my business! He ran back and forth to manager so many times he must be training for the olympics This one is red with charcoal interior, didnt think to snap some pics Five devils appeared like magic on my shoulder, oooooooohhhhhh RED, the Porche India Red you like so much, oooohhhhhhhhhhh go away, cops pound on red cars its an economy truck! they wont pick on it! Red with MAGS? this thing looks fast standing still and so on, sucks to be me sometimes! Red won, it was a tad cheaper, lol So tomorrow off to delaware, check the mail for a Test Ride thing, check for the new car voucher, then hit nucar, then down to middletown (ACK) to see about their greater selection then back to haggle with the guy again, let him beat nucars prices, which will include the invoice one thing he did say was they dont have a lot into these models - guys, he might have a point, they are manual seat, lock window units that aint got the goodies that whack the price into the stratosphere DO have tilt and cruise, two things I want And room and frosty COLD air and when no one was around, I cranked the stereo WOOOO HOOOOOOO but back to stone face - sorta like when you are with a girl and meet a girl, and you are WAY interested but cant let on interesting thing, the trans is SEALED SEALED I dont like that! I like to check levels and stuff like that eh, guess its part of the 50k service one cool thing, the guy was a little guy, about liz's size, plenty of room (shes near six foot) plenty of room up at 4 to take my dialyser, then off running (!) I am cautiously optimistic about this whole thing This time, the Terminator is going along, poor guys, ah PITY DA fools!

aspeck · Oct 31, 2003

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Nosleep, wasn't talking abpout the holdback money - that is forgotten - gotta have something to help keep the doors open. Was talking about the "previous year" incentive, since it is a 2003. Course they could have done away with that over the last few years. At the time we sold the business the manufacturer woud offer the dealer either a bigger rebate on the leftovers, or give them a percentage (usually about 3%) off the invoice. And this would only be good till December 31. So, come December, we were ready to give away the farm on any leftovers. What Nosleep is talking about, when a dealer advertises a car at invoice, he is literally selling you the car at what he had to pay to get it off the truck. However, there is a little thing called the "Hold Back" that the manufacture keeps for him (kind of like a withholding tax). It depends on what he is on whether he gets that back monthly, quarterly, or yearly). But please, don't consider that part of the profit, cause the dealer has to wait for it. Dealer can also earn the "free interest" if it is sold quick enough, but again, the consumer should not consider that part of the profit. That helps to stock the cars that have been sitting on the lot for 100 days and are hurting the bottom line big time. You can always "talk" about this, but don't expect the dealer to give you any of it. (Like, hey, this vehicle has been on your lot for a long time, bet you are tired of paying the interest. Let's deal. - or - This is a fresh car, those free interest days could really help with some of your older cars on the lot.. Yes, he already knows this, but a reminder won't hurt.) Remember, if you want to get a good deal, and service after the sale, don't try to make the dealer work for nothing. When you ask for a vehicle at invoice, you are asking the dealer to work for nothing (and he has bills to pay and commisions to pay to the person selling the car). Most dealers are really happy with $4-500 profit on a $20,000 car. So be fair. If you are buying without a trade in, then you can agree ahead of time on the profit margin and ask to see the invoice. I remember one man that was trying to beat me down in price so badly. I finally asked him what his response would be if I asked him to work for free tomorrow. He said some unpleasantries and repeated them back to him. Then he said I should make 5% on the cost of the car. I pulled out the invoice and showed him that his "fair" deal would cost him $600 more than I was asking. He did shut up and buy the car. Sorry to ramble, but want everyone to get a fair deal - the dealers included. That is the way it should work.

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