Outboard Motor Advice

[Palomino]

Hello everyone,

About a week and a half ago my boat was destroyed by a fire at the winter storage place I keep it during winter. I should be getting a check soon from my insurance company so that I can replace the boat. It was a 1996 Mirrocraft with 40hp force aluminum fishing boat. Im now looking at a boat made by G3 which I believe is owned by yamaha. Ive looked around and it seems that almost all the dealers for these boats only offer yamaha outboards with these G3 boats. I was orginally going to get a 40hp Evinrude E-tec tiller on whatever boat I got as a replacement but I really like the G3 model boat and am looking at getting the yamaha 2stroke 50hp tiller model with the G3 boat since getting the evinrude on it would mean taking it to a different dealer which I dont really want to do.

Being that my Mirrocraft was lost only about a week and a half ago I havent had alot of time to do research on motors and the research Ive done has really only provided more questions then answers. I know that either the E-tec or the yamaha will probably be light years ahead of my old 1996 40hp force, but I really want to get the motor right this time. I was never really satisfied with the Force although I must admit it never gave me any serious problems in the 10 years I owned it.

So my question is I noticed alot of hype about the Etec's but I know yamaha has a really good reputation too. But, other then that I really dont know if one outboard is really that much better then the other.

Any advice would be appreciated. This all just came up so sudden and I havent really done any homework on boats and outboards for about 10 years.

Thanks,

Mike Krivsky
Oak Creek, WI

 

[Dunaruna]

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[colour=blue]Hi Mike, welcome to iboats!!

So my question is I noticed alot of hype about the Etec's but I know yamaha has a really good reputation too. But, other then that I really dont know if one outboard is really that much better then the other.

That sentence pretty well sums it all up. You will get different answers from everyone - merc, yam, johnnyrude, etec yada yada yada....................

Pick one and enjoy.

 

[kenmyfam]

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Agreed, everyone has their own #1 choice. My advice would be to make certain you choose a dealer with a good reputation and back up service that will honour your warranty without wanting money as well for that thing that "is not covered" if you know what I mean !!
Good luck with your choice.

 

[kenmyfam]

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Agreed, everyone has their own #1 choice. My advice would be to make certain you choose a dealer with a good reputation and back up service that will honour your warranty without wanting money as well for that thing that "is not covered" if you know what I mean !!
Good luck with your choice.

 

[Texasmark]

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The G3 is a Yamaha company so you get Yammies on their boats. d

Yammie has built a lot of engines for a long time and is an international OEM. Must mean that they can compete in the market place.

Never had one, but just the other day I was contemplating replacing my current Merc with one; not because the Merc had problems, per se, just because I wanted 4 cylinders in a Loop V configuration and it was E-tech or Yammie. Not sure now why I figued the Yam would be the answer over the Rude.

Mark

 

[Palomino]

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Hi all,

Thanks for the responses. One questions I do have is what are the differences and benefits between the DFI on the Evinrude 40hp Etec vs the loop charged carb on the yamaha 50hp 2stroke.

 

[steelespike]

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The etec is state of the art. Compared to any carbed 2 stroke and any 4 stroke it is much much cleaner.It uses less oil than a carbed 2 stroke.Excellent warranty. pretty quiet as well.
The other day I approached a 40 etec from the stern as it idled and 2 people were quietly chatting one in the boat one on the dock.I didn't realize the motor was running until I was right next to it.
Nothing wrong with the Yamaha its just older technology.

 

[Silvertip]

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Comnparing the E-tec to the carbed Yamaha is a misuse of the word "compare". There isn't any comparison. The only thing the two engines share is that they are two-strokes. It would be a more fair comparison to compare the E-tec with a 4-stroke Yamaha. But if performance is an issue, then again, the E-tec is the winner.

 

[JB]

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Well, the ETEC is also a loop scavenged 2 stroke but that is where similarities end.

Like other DFI 2 strokes the ETEC injects fuel directly into the cylinder rather than drawing it through the crankcase and times the injection for when the exhaust ports are closed, eliminating unburned fuel being pumped out the exhaust by overscavenging. All high performance 2 strokes overscavenge to some degree.

Unlike most other DFI 2 strokes the ETEC stratifies the charge in the cylinder, resulting in more certain ignition of a charge that averages leaner than non-stratified charges. This results in more complete and cleaner burning of the fuel.

The ETEC also lubricates the crankcase by pumping the oil directly to the bearing surfaces rather than pumping a spray of oil particles through the crankcase where a small percentage of it lubricates and the rest is scavenged to the cylinder where it is burned.

Those differences make the ETEC far more efficient, cleaner and quieter than any carbed 2 stroke and measurably more efficient and quieter than most other DFI engines. The jury is out on ETEC vs. EFI 4 strokes. They are certainly competitive.

A direct injected, stratified charge 4 stroke should be a bit more efficient than the ETEC, but no such engines are on the market, so that is a moot argument.

Advantages of a carbed 2 stroke? They are lighter, simpler to maintain and a lot less expensive. Those arguments keep a lot of us zooming about with "obsolete", noisy, dirty, lightweight and less expensive engines.

You can buy a lot of fuel and oil with the price difference, and you can find pre-loved carbed 2 strokes for a fraction of the price of even a new one.

 

[JRJ]

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You owe it to yourself to test ride all the possible engine boat combinations that interest you. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Palomino]

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Thanks for the responses that explains it all alot better. So would it be fair to say that the 40hp Etec would be more comparable in price to the 40hp 4stroke Yamaha then the 50hp 2stroke carb'ed Yamaha? I just recently received a quote for a 50hp 2stroke Yamaha installed for $4700 including everything cept taxes. The 40hp 4stroke Yamaha was $5700. I havent gotten any quotes on what the Etec would cost yet.

Thanks,

Mike Krivsky

 

[Silvertip]

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I just checked an on-line advertiser I'm familiar with (won't mention the name) and they are advertising a 40 HP E-tec with T&T for $4800. That obviously doesn't include the required gauges, harness, control box, installation and taxes but when I last priced a 75 HP that group of things was about $800 so you would be at or very close to the Yamaha 4-stroke with none of the maintenance issues. In fact no service whatsoever for three years.

 

[Palomino]

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Thanks Silvertip, Thats about what I thought it would be. This really is kinda frustrating I like the G3 boat ALOT more then the current model of Mirrocrafts which I lost in the fire. But, with the G3 you have to get a Yamaha outboard with them or buy the boat at one dealer and take it to another dealer that does not sell yamaha to get a different outboard apparently. I have nothing against the Yamaha outboard Im sure even their 2stroke carb'ed motors are much better then my old Force outboard, but I really have my heart set on the Etec and I really dont want another carb'ed engine. I dont want to compromise on the outboard this time like I did 10 years ago with the force due to price.

Decisions, Dicisions!

Thanks,
Mike Krivsky

 

[Silvertip]

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Think about this. I bought my last boat (Alumacraft) with no prerig because I kept my engine when my son-in-law bought the boat. What that means is I ordered the boat without an engine or controls. You still get everything else including all the dash instruments -- it just doesn't have a motor. You will likely never have a boat issue that you can't solve yourself so you will more than likely see more of the engine supplier. Therefore, why worry about the boat dealer. Pay more attention to the engine dealer. My feeling is that its your money, so you should be able to have what you want. If G3 won't do a no prerig order tell them tough. Why should you be forced to take an engine you aren't fond of just because that's what they package. Some time back I went shopping for a new engine and popped into a Yamaha dealer. To my surprise the guy tells me "we don't sell loose engines". How dumb is that.

 

[roscoe]

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Shop around, look at a lot of boats.
The more you look at, the better your decision will be.

Do not get an underpowered boat.

Where and how you use your rig may also factor into your decision.

The etec will likely perform better in adverse conditions, like cold rain or high elevations. And will idle down a lot slower for very slow trolling.