outdrive info

chris650

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trying to find info on these two merc outdrives..particularly the gear ratios. One ser# is 4787657, and the other is 6152290. Thx
 

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you will need to remove the upper gear and count the teeth
 

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Here's what I would do... Rather than taking the cover off, and all the mess that involves...

Put the drive in forward gear. Have someone count the turns of the propeller shaft as you turn and count the turns of the input shaft. When the propshaft has turned 10 times, divided the number of turns of the input shaft by 10.... That is the ratio.

For a V8 I would expect a drive with 1.5:1... So the input shaft will have to be turned 15 turns to make 10 turns of the propshaft....

Chris....
 

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ok,heres where these numbers don't make sence. The 4787657 looks just like this drive, with the eyehook on top and rounded vent plate.#1.jpg. The other one, the 6152290 looks exactly like this one, with the larger trim cylinders and squared vent plate. #2.jpg. But yet you say you look up the numbers and it says that its an mc-1. THE first one is an mc-1, the one with the eyehook. This is where I am confused on how merc categorized these numbers. AND both drives are out of v-8. The 478 one is from a 228, and the 615 is from a 260. Now, on the 615 drive, I did see some numbers stamped on the case, and the were "R 1.32. So im thinking you could be correct on that ratio. Could I put that unit on my 228?
 

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ok,heres where these numbers don't make sence. The 4787657 looks just like this drive, with the eyehook on top and rounded vent plate.View attachment 214436. The other one, the 6152290 looks exactly like this one, with the larger trim cylinders and squared vent plate. View attachment 214437. But yet you say you look up the numbers and it says that its an mc-1. THE first one is an mc-1, the one with the eyehook. This is where I am confused on how merc categorized these numbers. AND both drives are out of v-8. The 478 one is from a 228, and the 615 is from a 260. Now, on the 615 drive, I did see some numbers stamped on the case, and the were "R 1.32. So im thinking you could be correct on that ratio. Could I put that unit on my 228?

If your 228 is currently running a 1.50:1 drive, then you will also need to change propeller... If the boat's not too big, you'll be able to do that, but if the boat's fairly large, not advisable...

Chris..
 

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im going to find out. Heres what im planning on doing chris...my boat currently has the older mc-1 on it. I want to take the lower unit off of that one, and use the lower unit from the other drive unit. I suspect worn parts in the one on there now. After separating both drives, everything looks the same on both lower units and both have preload pins. The only difference is that the drive shaft on the one that I want to put in has an o-ring just below the splines, the one that came off of my boat does not have one...no oring groove was machined on the shaft. Is this going to be a problem?
 

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No problem at all... Just bolt it on and fill it with oil.... Merc removed the 'O' ring because it was causing too many problems with the lowest seal in the bottom of the top housing...

Chris.......
BTW. Drive ratio is determined by the gears in the top housing, so just changing the lower won't change the ratio....
 

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ok,should I install it without the oring then? The one that's going in has the oring, its the one that is coming out that doesn't.
 

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Am I correct in assuming that there is really no kind of decoding that going to be accomplished going by these numbers? As in like with a vin number from a car? I think that's where im going wrong. Because you mentioned that mercruiser got rid of the oring, but its the older drive that didn't have one. I also think I have to account for the possibility that maybe it isn't the original too! :)
 

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ok,should I install it without the oring then? The one that's going in has the oring, its the one that is coming out that doesn't.

Your choice, but mine would be to leave it out... I've never put the 'O' rings in and never had a problem, but I have seen too many with the 'O' ring that the 'O' ring has held the lower seal open and the upper drive-shaft has been rusted out.

Am I correct in assuming that there is really no kind of decoding that going to be accomplished going by these numbers? As in like with a vin number from a car? I think that's where im going wrong. Because you mentioned that mercruiser got rid of the oring, but its the older drive that didn't have one. I also think I have to account for the possibility that maybe it isn't the original too! :)

The number is just that, a number, no 'de-coding'...

If the Lower drive shaft has been replaced in the past, then it will be without the 'O' ring groove....

Chris..........

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well I took the cover off of the top of both my upper drives and counted the teeth. Figured I might as well seeing as both are drained of oil. One drive has 22 teeth on on gear, and 20 on the other. The other one has 20 on one and 16 teeth on the other. Trying to look up info on what that tells me.
 

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20-22 is for a 1.50:1 drive, and 16-20 is for a 1.32:1 drive...
 

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Thanks chris. Just to satisfy my learning curiosity...how did you do the math? 20 to 22 I was getting 1.1. There must be another factor that im missing..
 

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Thanks chris. Just to satisfy my learning curiosity...how did you do the math? 20 to 22 I was getting 1.1. There must be another factor that im missing..

There are 2 ways of doing it... One is to do the math, and know that the ratio in the gear housing is 1.65 (or 1.62 for later gear housings... Big history on that change... But the difference to the end user is insignificant)

So, the upper is 0.90909 (20/22, not 22/20) and the lower is 1.65. 1.65*0.90909=1.5

The other is to use one of Don's lookup tables... :D :D :D (Guess which one I used? ;))

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ahhh...so the unknown factor was another gear in the lower unit! That makes sence now! Just wanted to thank you for your help! Just watched your video on changing a water pump...which I will be doing tomorrow!
 

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Let us know how you go... Or bring the new questions here... :D :D

Good luck...
 

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coincidently...I do have another one regarding ratio...You had mentioned that you wouldn't recommend 1.32 for my situation. Just for conversation sake, I have a 1978 century 5000. 22.5ft,4000lbs of boat,dry,228 merc. What is your logic behind saying that im better off with the 1.5-1 ratio? What are the advantages between the two? Just trying to make sence of the proper applications for the different gearing. And also curious, because my 228 is a 1.5-1, and the other drive I have was for a 260hp.and that's the 1.32-1.
 

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That's actually a long and complicated answer, but to try and keep it as simple as possible...

The 'plan' is to keep the prop for the engine/boat combination in the 15" to 21" type range.... The smaller the prop pitch the less efficient the propeller, so towards that higher end is better...

The ratio is determined by the most likely size of boat the engine would be put in... The 2.5 and 3 litre engines ended up in smaller boat (obviously), so need a higher reduction to turn the mid-size prop. As the power increases the boat that the engine is likely to go in also increases and the maximum speed also goes up, so the drive reduction needs to be lower, again to keep the prop in that mid-range.

Your boat is quite large for the engine power output... You would almost be better going to a HIGHER reduction, like a 1.65:1 drive... That will get you into the higher pitch props and the boat will feel better.

A few years ago I changed engine, from a 1994 4.3LX with a 1.84:1 drive running a 21" prop, to a 4.3MPI with a 1.62:1 drive. I should be running a 19", but the mid-range is so bad with that prop that I'm running a 17"... The new engine is more powerful than the old, but the drive ratio change has completely negated that. Although I am about 4 knots quicker, the boat felt better with the 1.84 drive. The next time I change engine, I'll be going back to a 1.84:1 drive...

HTH,

Chris......
 

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... And also curious, because my 228 is a 1.5-1, and the other drive I have was for a 260hp.and that's the 1.32-1.

260 was only ever supplied with 1.50:1 as standard... Maybe in a very light boat it could have been optioned up....

If you download this document -> mercruiser alpha id and history - Download - 4shared - Don S Don has collated all the relevant drive info... You'll see on page 8 a list of all the engines and the drive ratios supplied as standard...

Enjoy...

Chris.......
(Pssssst, lots of really interesting info in the stickies. ;))
 
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