please help engine starts and runs but will not shut off

panamacitymustang

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engine starts and runs but will not shut off.. i tried a new ignition switch no change still runs. i turned off my battery switch and it killed the power to the coil. i also have power running to both terminals on the coil with the batteries turned on is that normal..
 

achris

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Re: please help engine starts and runs but will not shut off

sorry i have a mercruiser 454

A Mercruiser 454 what? Merc have been using the 454 since 1977, with both Alpha and Bravo sterndrives, and as inboards. They have run points ignition, Thunderbolt IV and thunderbolt V, and with TPI and MPI... Every one different.

Let's start with a year and a serial number, also if it's an inboard or a sterndrive and if so, which one.....

I know it's a bit harsh having to tell us what we are trying to diagnose. But our crystal balls just aren't that good anymore (must be the cheapies I'm buying from China). How's your crystal ball Don, can you divine what we're commenting on here?

Chris........
 

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its a 1991 with a bravo

Ok... So it has Thunderbolt IV ignition. With the key in the OFF position nothing should have power except the main lead on the starter motor and alternator. If you have power at the coil with the key OFF, you have a short circuit somewhere. If that's the case, pull the main harness plug out (the one that runs up to the instruments) and re-check the coil. Still power? problem is in the engine harness. No power at the coil? Problem is in the instrument harness. This is the 'divide and conquer' method... :D:D

Do you have the service manual (clymer and seloc are NOT considered as service manuals, more like fire-lighters) with wiring diagrams and TB IV troubleshooting guide?
 

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no i don't have a service manual

:facepalm: That is going to make this job SOOOO much more difficult.... You are going to have to do exactly as asked, nothing more, nothing less. If we are to get this done as quickly and easily as possible please don't start second guessing either.....

How close are you to the boat? Is it out in the yard or a 2 days trip away?

Do you at least have a good multimeter?
 

panamacitymustang

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yes i have a test light.. thankyou for the link
 

panamacitymustang

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its in the yard outside but im not home at this second. but if you point me in the right direction i'll be on it firt thing in the morning
 

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Did you do any engine work or electrical work on the boat just prior to this?
 

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i haven't but the guy who did told me the ignition just started to do that so i replaced the ignition and no luck
 

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i haven't but the guy who did told me the ignition just started to do that so i replaced the ignition and no luck

What do you mean "the guy that did"? It doesn't matter who did, what was done? It could be an easy lead to what the problem is. Don't forget, we can't see what you do, we can only see what you type.
 

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Re: please help engine starts and runs but will not shut off

the guy who i bought the boat from done alot of wiring to get the motor running. he said it was working from the key but then it just stopped working i really don't know what he did
 

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the guy is a boat mechanic. i bought the boat from a guy and i talked to the mechanic who done the work
 

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the guy is a boat mechanic. i bought the boat from a guy and i talked to the mechanic who done the work

If he sold a boat in that condition, he's not a mechanics' *******!!!

Sounds like you need to get the wiring diagram and check every single run, make sure it is going where it should, and not going were it shouldn't... That is going to mean a few hours in the engine bay and under the instrument panel....

I guess this is another case of 'you pays your money, you takes your chance'....

Good Luck, sounds like you're going to need it.....
 

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sorry for the confusion i bought the boat from the owner. he's not the mechanic. the mechanic was wiring up the engine from a preveous engine install that someone else did and they messed up the wiring he was going back and fixing someone elses work. while he was doing this the owner ran out of money and took the boat home just before the mechanic was finished that's when the ignition started to do this..
 

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OK, it's 2 o'clock and I have just come in from greasing a winch (not a boat winch, one of these)

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I was thinking about your problem... Engine and instrument wiring is not that complicated, in fact it's quite simple (it has to be, that's because most boat mechanic are .... we'll just leave it at that :D). By now you should have downloaded the manual Don kindly gave you the link to.... Go to the wiring diagram for the engine (page 4F-3). That is ALL the wiring on the engine. If I was faced with this problem the following is what I would do...

Disconnect/isolate the battery, unplug the main harness connector and deal with the engine as a separate entity. This, by the way, is my standard method of attacking any problem (expect women). Divide the whole into smaller, manageable sections, deal with each one in turn, problem solved. The signature of one of the other members here has words to the effect of 'finding out what IS working is as much a part of the troubleshooting process as finding out what is not working'... Very true and useful statement. Often you can be chasing a problem that is caused by 2 faulty parts.

Ok, engine entity. Check that each wire is connected to the right place, and that its colour is correct. Check that each wire is not shorted to ground or to another wire. This could take you a few hours, so I would print out the diagram (a few copies) and take them up into the boat with you. Tag each wire that you check and mark it off on the drawing. On the drawing each subsystem on the engine is outlined, I would do the checking by subsystem. Once you are happy that all is correct and right on the engine, reconnect the battery and start to check various points for power. Points that SHOULD have power are the main terminal on the starter, the orange connector on the alternator, any red wire and any red/purple wire. NOTHING ELSE SHOULD HAVE POWER. Check the coil terminals, they should be dead.

IMPORTANT POINT: Check and ensure the engine grounds are solid, clean and tight, and in the right places....

That should have the engine wiring cleared and set. Once you have all that done let us know....

One more point... Whenever I wire a boat I treat the engine (and engine instruments) as a single, separate system to the rest of the boat wiring. Accessories and ancillary equipment should NOT be wired to the engine system... The only thing the 2 systems should share is the battery and the battery isolation switch....

Chris........
(This process may take a while, as we are about 12 hours apart)
 

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