Political idiot speaks out....me?

gaugeguy

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You lost me Rabbit. Was it over school funding? There is no winners in that fiasco.
 

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Bravery would mean nothing if it wasn't at the price of fear. I'd go so far as to say that bravery is a result of conviction and purpose overcoming fear. Fear is natural, most all of us have it, and our forefathers overcame it to make what we have today possible. The torch has been passed to us, and our fighting men are doing their part, but we with all the division are letting them and our Country down.<br /><br />I'm with you Rabbit(except for the Kerry part). The intrepretations and wrangling have *******ized a clear document. Take the 2nd ammendment for example.
 

RetNav

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About the only thing I have been afraid of lately is that I will never be able to get my port motor running right. :D :D
 

18rabbit

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GG - In a nutshell, awhile back the NH courts set up a commission to oversee complaints of judicial misconduct (the fox guarding the chicken coop). There were so many complaints about the commission’s ineffectiveness (duhh), the legislature stepped in and set up their own identical commission to oversee complaints about judges, and un-funded the court’s commission. Courts said you can’t do that, separation of powers (wrong!).<br /><br />It’s all ending up before the NH Supreme Court (yesterday?). A judge will decide who oversees complaints of judges’ misconduct (humm). I guess one judge has quit, another impeached for commenting that judicial conflict of interest was “routine” in NH courts…but then exonerated… <br /><br />Doesn’t matter which of the two commissions you guys end up with, unless it is independent, you lose.<br /><br />Anyway, when you get a chance, will you shoot me an email: There’s something else I’d like to talk to you about (but I keep putting it off :) ).
 

Carphunter

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Gee Tylerin, I don't think your a political idiot.............I just think your the regular kind of idiot. :D <br /><br />I agree with 100% there "best friend".
 

JoeW

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Backlash said...<br />
Bravery is knowing fear and acting in spite of that fear.
I agree 100%. If you take action without having fear that's not bravery, ignorance maybe, but not bravery.
 

gaugeguy

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What if your mind and body have been trained and conditioned not to feel fear in a moment of truth, you just act? Isn't that the basis for military training and discipline?
 

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Hi Gaugeguy,<br />Yes, acting without fear in dangerous situations in one goal of military training. Let's look at another example. The trained lifeguard enters the water to save a drowning child. He is well trained to do exactly that and experiences no fear in making the save. But what if the lifesaver is not a trained lifeguard, in fact doesn't even know how to swim and is deathly afraid of the water? That person jumping in to save that child has exhibited courage/bravery by overcoming his own fears to act for the benefit of another. <br />Backlash
 

gaugeguy

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That is what I meant by "adrenaline is the great equalizer", meek people can do heroric things when the body is faced with that "fight or flight" choice. ;)
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by Backlash:<br /> But what if the lifesaver is not a trained lifeguard, in fact doesn't even know how to swim and is deathly afraid of the water? That person jumping in to save that child has exhibited courage/bravery by overcoming his own fears to act for the benefit of another. <br />Backlash
In your example, the untrained lifeguard represents what my understanding of a hero is…someone that acts without thought of self-preservation or the possible consequences of that action, and achieves to the benefit of someone else what would otherwise be impossible if the danger were assessed. Others may disagree but I don’t think there are many real heroes.
 

LadyFish

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"One Nation Under Fear" thats us. Why? The media period.
 

snapperbait

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Yeah Ladyfish, I hear you.. That dang conservative media like Hannity, Rush, and a few local yocal radio talk shows... Pretty scary... :p <br /><br />And then there's that great right wing conspiracy thingy... woooooooweeee! Thats some scary stuff.... :D
 

LadyFish

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Snapper we may not agree on politics but we always agree on fishing. :)
 

Stratosfied

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I believe Andrew Jackson said " A person without Fear makes a majority". Or something to that effect.
 

18rabbit

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Well, fear definitely keeps me in check. I “fear” my government and live my life accordingly. If we are a government of the people, I suppose I fear the people. But I don’t think we are a government of the people as much as we are a people of the government, i.e. I “fear” my government and live my life accordingly.
 

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Originally posted by Backlash:<br /> Hi Gaugeguy,<br />Yes, acting without fear in dangerous situations in one goal of military training.
I think that should read "acting properly and effectively in spite of fear..."<br /><br />There is no doubt that effective training can minimize fear, in some instances eliminate it (parachuting for instance) and in others suppress it. But when it comes to activities that you cannot control the outcome of, such as combat, I doubt that you will eliminate it. But knowledge and skill will enable you to function in spite of it.
 

tylerin

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I “fear” my government and live my life accordingly.
In what way Rabbit, I'm curious. Are you sure its fear Rabbit or does it borderline paranoia
 

boatingfool

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Bravery IS overcoming fear.<br /><br />Facing something that is fearful is bravery.<br /><br />The young men & woman overseas right now are scared.<br />Just ask any of them they will tell you. Being in a Iraq is a scary place to be but they are showing their bravery by facing it head on and not backing down.<br />Now if the clowns in WA back down that should not reflect on the bravery of our troops. They are ready to act on any order given no matter how fearful they are of the situation they are facing. Now thats Bravery!!
 

Andrew Leigh

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Hi,<br /><br />I think many of us have a different understanding or experience of fear. Until we have the same baseline to measure fear against this is a difficult thread to debate. I don't know if one could ever get to the same baseline.<br /><br />Some are debilitated by fear.<br />Some use the word fear rather glibly i.e I fear the worst will come over me.<br />Some overcome fear (bravery as other posts mention).<br />Some are simply scared thinking they fear.<br /><br />Tylerin you said "You can't be brave if you have fear and you can't be free if you have fear." Consider the contents of a book I read some time ago.<br /><br />This book detailed the encounters of recipients of medals for military bravery. Men who had saved lives, run into heavy hostile fire to rescue people etc. In each case when the recipient was interviewed they all shared that they were scared witless but that they felt compelled to perform the act they did. Some even spoiled their clothes in the process so scared were they. They had great fear which was controlled enough to perform feats of great bravery. Countries freedom's have been won by those having fear. In light of this I would have to disagree with your statement.<br /><br />Total lack of fear leads to foolishness as people will undertake things that are both dangerous for them and for others. Total lack of fear causes people not to consider the long term effects of their bravado.<br /><br />I think at times the media has overdramatised the fearless "HERO" which in turn has formulated our perceptions. These perceptions turn into expectations that are unfounded and inaccurate. For example, take the movie soldier that we have been bombarded with for decades, totally fearless, fully in control, firing from the hip, fully exposed to enemy fire, latest designer camoflauge, mercilessly mowing down the enemy apparently immune to bullets etc.<br /><br />In theory, there is no difference in theory and practice. In practice, however, there is. My war experience was substantially different to this and any other on this board will testify the same. Accordingly I have fallen short of the "glory" but would never describe myself as being "motivated" by fear.<br /><br />I heard someone once say, in a religous context, that "fear was the opposite of faith". Is this the fear you speak of Tylerin? The fear of not doing the "right thing" rather than some form of bravery whilst face to face with the enemy. The fear of not upholding morality and righteousness?<br /><br />In order to fear there must be something that one is fearful of. When we know the fear we can deal with it.<br /><br />Or....have I missed the point?<br /><br />Cheers<br />Andrew
 
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