possible damage

[craigje1]

Ran out of fuel, had to be towed to the marina, gas pump attendant asked how much I wanted, tole him 10 gallons. Noticed that the boat ran poorly, it was late so we pulled it out of the water and went home. I called the marina the next day, they said it was clearly stated that it is unleaded gas. After talking with others that grew up around boats they were surprised that the attendant didn't ask what type of mixture we needed. Anyway, I already had an appointment with a shop, so I am waiting for an answer back. I am hoping that there isn't much damage, just looking for an opinion. If it was running hot could that be why the power was low?

 

[thetragichippy]

Re: possible damage

Ran out of fuel, had to be towed to the marina, gas pump attendant asked how much I wanted, tole him 10 gallons. Noticed that the boat ran poorly, it was late so we pulled it out of the water and went home. I called the marina the next day, they said it was clearly stated that it is unleaded gas. After talking with others that grew up around boats they were surprised that the attendant didn't ask what type of mixture we needed. Anyway, I already had an appointment with a shop, so I am waiting for an answer back. I am hoping that there isn't much damage, just looking for an opinion. If it was running hot could that be why the power was low?

Where are you getting leaded gas at?

 

[Vic.S]

Re: possible damage

What engine?

You have not run a 2 stroke that requires a gas/oil pre mix on gasoline with no oil have you?

 

[FunInDuhSun]

Re: possible damage

just looking for an opinion. If it was running hot could that be why the power was low?

Sure.
Also, it's possible that whan you ran the tank dry the engine sucked up some sediment or water. Check the filter or carb bowl.

 

[craigje1]

Re: possible damage

not leaded gas, and yes, thanks to the gas pump attendant, i ran it with no oil in the gas, it was my fault to assume that I was buying premixed fuel. I am sure that the age of the boat and that it has a 26 gallon inboard tank that it sucked up not so nice stuff when I ran it dry. I am looking for someone who might know that if the engine is still running, what is the possible damage that sould be done. Since it was still running, not very much power thou, when I trailered it tht evening.

 

[wilde1j]

Re: possible damage

Engine is probably a basket case, depending on how long it was run w/o oil. If more than a few minutes, it's toast. You can confirm with a compression test.

 

[craigje1]

Re: possible damage

is it possible to repair then, it was run longer than a few minutes, i am quite disappointed that the marina wouldn't stop their customers from runing thier boats, especially if they are manning the pumps

 

[wilde1j]

Re: possible damage

Sure, it can be rebuilt, but most of the internal moving parts will need replacement and it may not be economic to do so.

You should have known the fuel requirement. I wouldn't blame the dock boy.

 

[ezeke]

Re: possible damage

It could run for quite a while without mix if previously run on a good mix.

The main thing is to get oil to it now and plenty of it. I would run a 24:1 mix and get some fogging oil into the engine - don't wait.

Leaded gas is history - not important.

 

[craigje1]

Re: possible damage

Thanks for the replies, as I stated earlier, I am disappointed in the marina, not the pump attendant, the marina's should make it a practice for their employees to protect their customers, customers are hard to get and harder to keep. I definitely know the fuel requirements, I just assumed that marina's would have safe guards in place to keep this simple error from happening, BIG sign saying they sell Premixed fuel or regular unleaded Gas. Anyway, i ran the engine with the recommended mixture before I ran it empty, so now it is 50/50 wheter I have a new boat anchor or a 140 HP Evinrude, that once tuned up, will hall hinny across the lake. I let the shop know that it ran without oil for a time, I will call them again just to make sure they have it in their notes so they don't run it too. I bet they notice it sooner than I did , just to be on the safe side. Have fun out there, I will post when I find out, might help the next person down the road!!

 

[CATransplant]

Re: possible damage

Well, good luck with your outboard. These days, most outboards don't use premix, so I'd be surprised to find a marina still pumping premix. The only safe assumption is that the fuel is not premix, unless they tell you otherwise. If your outboard requires it, you should always ask when you fill up, and should always have oil on hand to mix if you can't get premix from the pump.

Your confusion between leaded and unleaded and premix vs. raw gasoline is probably what got you in trouble.

 

[Bifflefan]

Re: possible damage

Ran out of fuel, had to be towed to the marina, gas pump attendant asked how much I wanted, tole him 10 gallons. Noticed that the boat ran poorly, it was late so we pulled it out of the water and went home. I called the marina the next day, they said it was clearly stated that it is unleaded gas. After talking with others that grew up around boats they were surprised that the attendant didn't ask what type of mixture we needed. Anyway, I already had an appointment with a shop, so I am waiting for an answer back. I am hoping that there isn't much damage, just looking for an opinion. If it was running hot could that be why the power was low?

Where are you getting leaded gas at?

Where did you get leaded????

 

[thetragichippy]

Re: possible damage

Where did you get leaded????

After re-reading, I guess no where. When he said , "it was clearly stated that it is unleaded gas." , the first thing that came to mind was what else would it be, they only sell unleaded gas. I'm 44 and been around the water all my life, I have never seen a gas station that sells premixed gas.

I sure hope he didnt fry his motor

 

[kenmyfam]

Re: possible damage

Hope your motor survives this.
If you are premixing then it is your responsibility to make sure there is oil in the gas not the marina's. The Guy or Gal pumping it will do what you ask them to.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: possible damage

I have not seen a marina with premix fuel in better than 20 years.
some engines require a 100\1 some 50\1 and most moden engines are oil injected.
its the owners responsibility to insure the correct premix.
if the engine wasnt run under a load it most likly will live.
they can idle a long time with no oil.
not long under a load.
if there is mechanical damage no amount of extra oil will help.
had an incident sometime back,man walked in that we had never seen,bought 2 gallons of yamalube 2m.
he picked the jugs up and set them on the counter.
secretary rang it up and he left.
was back later that week saying we sold him the wrong oil for his f75 and thinks we should pay to tear it down for inspection.
him and his neighbor changed the oil themselves and he added 5 quarts of two stroke oil to the sump.
we laughed and told him to bring it in,we would have a look and change the oil,he paid of course, and luckily other than some smoking for a bit no damage was done.
hopefully in this case no damage was done.
but dont blame that minimum wage dockhand that most likly knows less than you about boating.
and even if you could get leaded fuel 2 strokes dont like leaded fuel.

 

[ezeke]

Re: possible damage

..................if there is mechanical damage no amount of extra oil will help.......

True, but at this point the engine has no storage lubrication, so if he does not oil it soon it will have damage PDQ.

 

[bailey]

Re: possible damage

I may be going a bit "senile", but after rereading the original post I can't seem to findout where he says that he actually and/or physically adds his own oil to the gas, he mentions oil in gas etc.,etc. My first question would be what year is the engine, followed by does it have a "VRO" system on it. Just my own thoughts on this unfortunate situation.
Bailey

 

[wilde1j]

Re: possible damage

I may be going a bit "senile", but after rereading the original post I can't seem to findout where he says that he actually and/or physically adds his own oil to the gas, he mentions oil in gas etc.,etc. My first question would be what year is the engine, followed by does it have a "VRO" system on it. Just my own thoughts on this unfortunate situation.
Bailey

See above ... he knew it needed premix.