Powerloading damage

TomB985

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Hey guys,

First of all, last thread I had concerning this matter got locked. I have no intentions of this turning into a powerloading battle; I just want to share a story.

I am a relatively new boat owner. I bought my 2011 Larson LX850 back in the beginning of July. I don't consider myself a new boater though, as I grew up with boats and spent years operating them when I was younger. My parents' boat used to have what we used to call the "trailer from Hell", as it was nearly impossible to load right the first time. Either the pads were too far in the water and the back of the boat swung one way or another, or the trailer was far enough out of the water to locate the stern but impossible to winch up. In retrospect I blame the marine-grade carpet covering of the bunks for this, but that's another matter. Eventually I started powerloading it because this appeared to be the only good way to get this boat on the trailer. I was about 14 at the time, and didn't know any better, and neither did either of my parents.

Fast forward to today. I'm 26, and really proud of my new pride-and-joy. I have been well educated about why powerloading isn't a good idea by the fine folks here on iBoats, and I thank all of you for the education! I just got some first-hand experience as to why this isn't a good idea:

Today the family and I took the boat to Balsam Lake for some late-season boating. The water is far too cold for swimming but we decided to ride around some in this late-season warm weather. Back the boat into the water, start it up, and back off the trailer. I'm pretty cautious, so the outdrive is nearly 3/4ths of the way up as I'm backing out. As I'm eyeing my path to the dock I hear that dreaded scraping noise as my outdrive plows into a rock pile that wasn't there a month ago. Pissed off, I lift the drive nearly all the way up and nurse it to the dock.

Some nicks in the skeg and a couple bends in the prop, but otherwise everything is well. I stomp out to the dock where the ramp is and see classic powerloading signs: a scooped-out area at the end of the concrete ramp and a large mound of sand and rocks immediately behind it. Had my drive been a bit lower I could have done some real damage, and I'm still pretty upset about it. We even went in early because I thought I felt a vibration I hadn't felt before and was nervous about it. All because people violate the law and loaded their boats under power.

I'm posting this to vent a little, and to hopefully increase the awareness of the reasoning behind rules against powerloading like are posted in Balsam Lake, WI. I called the state DNR, who will be contacting the Village of Balsam Lake so their taxpayers can pay to repair the ramp.
 

guy74

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Re: Powerloading damage

Bummer that your day was cut short. It is a shame that that kind of thing happens. I powerload at my local lake, but it isn't an issue there since the ramp just leads to an 8ft drop off at the bottom. I don't powerload elsewhere as it could lead to an issue like you experienced.
 

45Auto

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Re: Powerloading damage

I stomp out to the dock where the ramp is and see classic powerloading signs: a scooped-out area at the end of the concrete ramp and a large mound of sand and rocks immediately behind it.

If this was an issue in my area (it's not anywhere that I launch, and you can't see the bottom in the muddy water anyway) I believe I would do the "stomp and look" BEFORE I put my boat in .....
 

Lakemeadan

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Re: Powerloading damage

If I see a posting No Power Loading, I wouldn't do it. But most do it at Lake Mead. I always trim up which wouldn't hurt anything anyway and I know how far the trailer needs to be to just power up a little and winch a little sometime. I don't want my diff on vehicle totally under water. As the lake comes up we have a ramp that a 747 probably could land on if all the water was out.
 

sschefer

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Re: Powerloading damage

My local lake (Lake Sonoma, Ca) has a ramp that is all concrete and like laemeadan's is long enough to never be a problem when power loading. However, up at Eagle Lake, Ca, the ramp is short, the water is low and even though there are no signs forbidding powerloading, I don't. It's pretty evident that others are not as considerate and for the life of me I don't understand why either. I'm with you on this, there's times when it's o.k. and times when it's just plain stupid.
 

TomB985

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Re: Powerloading damage

If this was an issue in my area (it's not anywhere that I launch, and you can't see the bottom in the muddy water anyway) I believe I would do the "stomp and look" BEFORE I put my boat in .....

Ah, but I didn't think it was an issue! I use this ramp semi-regularly and have never seen or heard of an issue. Like most other areas there are signs not to powerload, but I see guys doing it there all the time. I've been on boats since I was two years old and have never seen or heard of this before. I have read about it here on iBoats, but never expected to actually see it.

BTW, can please tell me how to guess depth 10' past the dock?

For the other comments, I agree with you that there are places where powerloading is harmless. No issue with it under those circumstances, but as I'm finding there are ramps that incur serious damage because of it. Please be aware of your surroundings! :)
 

oldjeep

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Re: Powerloading damage

All the ramps I've used at balsam are pretty shallow. The real lesson here is not to put your drive down when backing off the ramp - keep it just below the trailer position until you either get a depth reading or can see the bottom.
 

TomB985

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Re: Powerloading damage

All the ramps I've used at balsam are pretty shallow. The real lesson here is not to put your drive down when backing off the ramp - keep it just below the trailer position until you either get a depth reading or can see the bottom.

And this is very good advice! A lesson I fortunately learned without any real damage! Thanks for posting this, I should put a stickie note near the trim switch!
 

Lakes84

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Re: Powerloading damage

Agreed. I've always brought my boat on to the trailer slowly. A couple of years ago, I started power loading just like everyone else was. I usually go to the same lake, so it's been OK. The damage it does to the ramps and people's boats are a concern for everyone. Another problem is, if the concrete on the ramp is too short, trailers can and will fall off the end of the ramp and it's not as easy as pulling your trailer forward either....not when the trailer is sitting on it's frame!:eek: I helped out in a situation like this a few months ago.

On the rock issue you were referring too, man that bit me in the arse this summer. I was at Blackduck lake in Northern Minnesota. I was in my Ranger Reata with a 150 Yamaha on the back. I was tilted up about half way going very slow when I heard that sickening grinding scraping sound you referred to. I hit a big rock pile and I was 50 yards out!!! No one has marked it, because the water is very low ,as is everywhere. I nicked up my skeg and dented up a stainless prop pretty good..man was I pi$$ed, so I just always tilt way up now, especially in waters unknown to me.

Joe
 

QC

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Re: Powerloading damage

I've posted this pic before, but I know some of you always get a kick out of it. Remember the lake is over 100 ft. down here, so that's why there is the detour sign. What you see is all ramp, and this is why we can power load at Lake Mead. What could we possibly hurt? :D

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Lakes84

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Re: Powerloading damage

That is AMAZING QC...Any hope of it going back up? Or is there water runoff for other uses that will keep it low?
 

QC

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Re: Powerloading damage

Already on its way back up from there. Gained 35 ft. this spring/summer. Takes a long time to fill two lakes the size of Powell and Mead, and that's what has to happen . . . Remember the lake is 500 ft deep near here and it runs 70 miles upriver with another arm that's 20 miles up from the middle added in. You're looking at less than 1/100th of the lake there ;) In '99 I was at the top of this ramp above the pic, where you almost couldn't park the truck it was so high.
 

jigngrub

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Re: Powerloading damage

So it's ok to Power Launch but not power load?
 

Lakes84

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Re: Powerloading damage

Well you can power launch yourself onto your trialer:D I wouldn't recommend that though:p
 

TomB985

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Re: Powerloading damage

So it's ok to Power Launch but not power load?

Not sure I understand...

I launch by backing far enough in the water that once I unhook my winch I can push the boat off the trailer by hand. I don't push it all the way off, but rather just to the point where it's barely being retained by the bunks so I can climb on the dock, jump in the boat, and ease it off with a hair over idle power. Is this power launching? Can I harm anything this way?

I hit the rocks while moving backward, I guess the bow was 10'-15' from the end of the trailer. If I'm somehow not supposed to be operating under power 15' from the dock, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. The docks aren't long enough to tie the boat up and still have clearance to pull the trailer forward, so I back out and pull into an adjacent dock so I don't block the ramp for others while I park. What's wrong with this?
 

DuckHunterJon

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Re: Powerloading damage

Not sure I understand...

I launch by backing far enough in the water that once I unhook my winch I can push the boat off the trailer by hand. I don't push it all the way off, but rather just to the point where it's barely being retained by the bunks so I can climb on the dock, jump in the boat, and ease it off with a hair over idle power. Is this power launching? Can I harm anything this way?

I hit the rocks while moving backward, I guess the bow was 10'-15' from the end of the trailer. If I'm somehow not supposed to be operating under power 15' from the dock, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. The docks aren't long enough to tie the boat up and still have clearance to pull the trailer forward, so I back out and pull into an adjacent dock so I don't block the ramp for others while I park. What's wrong with this?

Nothing wrong with your method. I've had the same thing happen. All we can do is be as careful as possible and have a spare prop/cash on hand for the inevitable. Oh yeah, and friendly reminders to people who power load on ramps obviously not made for it.
 

jmarty10

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Re: Powerloading damage

Already on its way back up from there. Gained 35 ft. this spring/summer. Takes a long time to fill two lakes the size of Powell and Mead, and that's what has to happen . . . Remember the lake is 500 ft deep near here and it runs 70 miles upriver with another arm that's 20 miles up from the middle added in. You're looking at less than 1/100th of the lake there ;) In '99 I was at the top of this ramp above the pic, where you almost couldn't park the truck it was so high.

When I fly into Vegas I love going over Lake Mead!
 

Lakes84

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Re: Powerloading damage

My new tried and true method is to never motor it off and have the motor propped up (takes extra time at the ramp to jump in start it and then back it in). When loading, I will drive it on the trailer as much as I can. I DO NOT rev it up to push it on further. I will then attach the winch and finish it that way. One hint is to make sure you pre-wet your bunks... just back it in till bunks are submerged then pull back up to correct trailering depth. It makes it much easier to finish winching the boat on.

Just some different ideas for folks to toy with.

Joe
 

Oshkosh1

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Re: Powerloading damage

I've seen some real bad damage done on many small lakes here in Northern Wi due to *****h&^%$ with big(too big) fishing boats power-loading at small landings. I mean seriously...do you REALLY need that 20 Warrior w/250Hp to go get a few panfish on a lake I can get across with my 10Hp in 10 minutes?
One lake I know of has been so damaged it's dangerous. Just off the lip of the concrete now, there's a 3 foot drop. Accidently get your tires off there...and it takes a few good deep back-downs and tire sqeeling "power-ups" to get it back.
 

Oshkosh1

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Oh...and it always amazes me the lengths some will go to, to keep their feet dry. Spend a ton of money on the boat/gas/etc..., all day on the lake riding around POSSIBLY getting...WET!!:eek:...and THEN, when in the "spotlight"... tip-toe around the landing/doing the trailer tongue balancing act in OJ approved Bruno-maglis:cool: just to stay dry. It's OK people...you CAN wear watersocks, water proof Keens, or whatever and actually step INTO the water at a landing. You DO have a towel don't you?

Don't believe the hype...the oil/gas which MAY be there won't kill you. I've waded ashore in Pattaya Beach Thailand(and other 3rd world :eek:open-sewage filled bays:eek:), and if THAT didn't cause permanent disfigurement...a little oil/gas mixed in surely won't!
 
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