Presidential accomplishments

[PW2]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002979449_bushfish08.html <br /><br />I'm surprised no one else on this board picked up, or commented, on this!<br /><br />I'd have to agree with the President on this one, as if you list all of the accomplishments of the administration, from not getting Bin Laden, to starting ill planned wars of choice, to the feeble response to the recent natural disasters, this has to be the highlight of his administration.<br /><br />I admit I can't wait until he can get to fishing every day!

 

[DJ]

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PW2,<br /><br />Don't be a troll. We have enough now. You're smarter than that.<br /><br />Your beliefs are not necessarily fact.<br /><br />The Seattle Times? PLEASE. That is one of the most one sided papers, in the country. Too much caffiene, I guess. <br /><br />Fact: I got a tax break, which allowed me to start a business. Small as it is. I know you are against big business, are you against mine?<br /><br />The roadblocks are fewer, but still unbelievable.<br /><br />Fact: I disagree-totally, with GWB on immigration. I can see both sides of a man, and I disagree with him on this one. I'll admit it.<br /><br />Fact: Hussien was a bad guy. He tried to assasinate GWB's father. That, in itself, is an act of war. Remember-WWI?<br /><br />Fact: WMD's were there. The connection between OBL and Hussien was there-proven.<br /><br />I have a vote, and so do you. I excersize mine-do you? We each have a voice. Trouble is, the numbed American public ignores a privelege that few, in the world, have.<br /><br />We are blessed and cursed, at the same time.

 

[rodbolt]

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DJ<br /> where did you find your WMD facts? seems the best inspectors with the best detectors could not find traces.<br /> and where did the saddamy-osama connection get proven, I read the 9/11 reports and its not there.<br />as far as an assasination attept our good christian buddy Pat Roberstson did the exact same thing ole saddamy did yet there was no outcry.<br />that couple hundred ill save on my taxes was more than eaten up on the increase of my genearal liabilty insurance, the company blames it on 9/11, I cant make the connection on how 9/11 affects me as a small marine repair facility.<br />but I would like some positive posts about how this administration has sealed the borders,made ports of entry safer, got medicaid and social security straightned out. they have held all the cards for 6 years.<br /> so maybe we can post about some of the positive long lasting things that have been done.<br /> while I like the tax decrease I know its only short term, the next administration will have no choice but to raise them or create new ones to pay for the lavish spending of an ill fated nation building.<br />we are in Iraq so deep we cannot get out, if we leave it will degenerate further, if we stay with the current course we will be there 10 more years anyway. I guess the W plan is eventually they will either run out of bombs or bombers.

 

[DJ]

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rodbolt,<br /><br />Just like PW2, I can predict your leanings, like you can mine.<br /><br />Besides, your moving to VE, so what do you care?<br /><br />Taxes: What good do they do?<br /><br />Roads-yes.<br /><br />Bridges-yes.<br /><br />Education-we disagree.<br /><br />Defense-Have we been hit since 9/11 (beside our incompetance and PC handling)? Answer-NO!<br /><br />Pat Robertson???? Besides, he is a US citizen, NOT a foreign power-BIG difference. John Wilkes Booth was a US citizen.<br /><br />As stated, we have satellite pictures of trucks leaving the back door of facilities that Blix was entering the front. As said, he is/was an idiot and a pawn of the UN.<br /><br />The UN is NOT our freind.<br /><br />Did I connect my business to 9/11-NO!<br /><br />Did I DISAGREE with GWB on immigration-YES!<br /><br />A FREE nation is a good and freindly nation.<br /><br />"So deep we can't get out". Maybe Richard Nixon thought the same thing, but HE got US OUT of VN.<br /><br />Look at each fact. I know facts are no longer relevant, in this nation, emotions-RULE!

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Did the previous presidents fix those problems? - No<br /><br />Will future presidents fix these problems? - Probably not<br /><br />If you are expecting the democrats to bail us out, you are sadly mistaken. All politicians get into office and immediately do nothing. We need to vote them all out, and get some fresh blood in there.<br /><br />Ken

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Please list accomplisments, trials, and tribulations for the last four presidencies.<br /><br />Also, the setting for the interview was not given. Was it a formal or informal interview? How was the question phrased. Did he give the best personal accomplishment, or the best overall accomplishment.<br /><br />Ken

 

[QC]

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This is a whole lot easier for me. One of the reasons I like George is that his best moment answer was catching a fish. What could possibly be wrong with that? The guy is genuine and honest and he gets hammered . . . If I had the pressures that any US President has had, I could see the simple pleasure of catching a fish as a great moment.<br /><br />Why, oh why, can it not be that simple?

 

[POINTER94]

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Amen, QC.

 

[CJY]

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Why, oh why, can it not be that simple?

Because we are at war, because OBL still roams free, because OBL still makes threats towards the US, because our borders are unprotected, because N. Korea is gaining an even greater ability to destroy lives, because Iran is trying to equal them, because young US men and women are dying every day, because we are not demonstrating a plan to stabilize Iraq, because Iraq is not taking responsibility for their freedom, because W has chosen to make the US military the worlds big brother. I can continue if you would like.<br /><br />W's mission, to defeat the "axis of evil". Are we finished doing that? Did W mean Hussein only when describing the "axis of evil." This man had ZERO, I REPEAT, ZERO, I REPEAT ONE MORE TIME, ZERO capability of harming us here on our soil. These others have demonstrated an ability to not only harm us, but carry it out. HE IS FREE TO DO IT AGAIN IF HE CHOOSES TO. WE ARE IN DANGER OF BEING ATTACKED AGAIN ON US SOIL. OUR BIGGEST THREAT, THE ACE OF SPADES IS FREE, WITH AN EXPRESSED LACK OF CONCERN FROM OUR PRESIDENT. MY HOPE, LITTLE PURPLE FINGERS OF PSEUDO FREEDOM CAN HELP US.<br /><br />These are just a few of the reasons it can never ever be that simple, ever again. Whether it was said in a serious manner or in jest makes no difference. If he is serious about his answer, what an idiot. If he can make a joke about death, destruction, and the real possibility of more, what an idiot.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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He can always plead, "Diminshed Capacity" .....JK

 

[QC]

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CJY,<br /><br />Wow. What I glean from your rant is that you want your cake and eat it too. You want us to pursue true evil doers, but you don't want us to be tough? You don't want us to act on the intelligence we have, you want us to react with the clarity of hindsight which is impossible. I don't want to rehash the reasons we went to war in Iraq except to say that the International and US powers that be agreed that there were WMD in Iraq. At the time, we were all concerned about Hussein's ability to hurt us indirectly by letting one of the WMDs that we all thought he had in Iraq, out. So, yes you are correct, Hussein himself could not grab a WMD of choice, hop on a plane and deliver it to your house, but there were others that would if given the opportunity. Every single discussion on this topic needs to start with the FACT that it was believed by the vast majority that those weapons existed (again, I don't care how he got them). THERE AINT NO STINKIN' REWIND BUTTON (caps only used to match your level of elevated discussion).<br /><br />Do you support using our military for the rest of the axis? Seems like you are supportive if you are comparing it to Iraq, but that you are not if it is a real question.<br /><br />Now, what does any of this have to do with a fish? The pleasure of catching one? The escapes we all need from our daily toils? The fact that we are talking about humans (even one you describe as an idiot) that need rest, relaxation, pleasure, joy. I ask again, why can't it be that simple? It seems to me that the only acceptable answer to the original question cited in the article would be something like, "I have had no pleasure since 9/11 and I will not allow myself any simple pleasures until our fine men in uniform are home and safe". I submit that you would call "cow turd" immediately if had responded that way. Which is what I really think the issue is, the guy can't say anything to appease people that simply hate him.

 

[CJY]

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Yes, I do want the President to act with the clarity of hindsight. It is very possible. That said, we would be putting a greater effort into finding OBL. Hindsight clearly tells us OBL is a very evil person and will stop at nothing to bring harm to the people of the US. Hindsight clearly tells us this if we were not aware prior to 9/11. W said he does not care about OBL. . We need to be on the ground like we were when we found Hussein.<br /><br />My problem, W cannot/will not act accordingly even with the clarity of hindsight in hand!<br /><br />Hussein should have never been enemy number one, never. Though W treated Hussein as though he was. It was a personal vendetta. OBL roams free, free, free! Get it, FREE! How many lives did Hussein cost the US prior to attacking Iraq? How many lives did OBL cost the US prior to attacking Iraq?<br />He is still free and it bothers the he77 out of me that we are not putting greater effort into his death.<br /><br />This just does not add up in my book. Hussein does not equal OBL.

 

[CJY]

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By the way QC, it is not a rant, it is my thoughts on the subject. If my thoughts are a rant, regardless of how I express them, then so are yours...correct?<br /><br />This is not a rant? "Why, oh why, can it not be that simple?"

 

[QC]

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CJY,<br /><br />I chose the word rant due to the use of caps. No disrespect intended. I am being cool calm and collected . . .<br /><br />So, as I can see the only area in which we differ is that you believe we cannot put as much emphasis on OBL if we are also fighting in Iraq. Yes, it is a simple math issue that there cannot be as much emphasis applied if you assume that the same level of total support would be available to pursue OBL if we were not also in Iraq. I think our differences boil down to that coupled with my belief that our president is not an idiot.<br /><br />I see my "why, oh why" thing as an honest question, however, I did initially consider the double whys as silly, but went with it anyway . . . You posted an impassioned response, and I responded. Where are we sideways now?

 

[mikeandronda]

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CJY, Hussien had zero capability of harming us here on our soil but I bet in the yr 2000 we thought the same way about OBL..........

 

[CJY]

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Mike, I get your point, but the fact remains that we were attacked by OBL before Hussein. I have zero problem with the removal of Hussein. I think if left alone, he would have taken a shot at us eventually. I do however, completely disagree with the prioritizing of Hussein over OBL. Bin Laden, at the time of our attack on Iraq had already proven his motives where Hussein had not.<br /><br />QC, I apologize if you or any other were offended by the caps. I guess in my mind this is a no-brainer and I struggle with the concept of anybody not believing OBL should be priority number 1 in the fight against those wishing harm upon us. OBL above Hussein, N. Korea, Iran or any other person or nation. I think we should absolutely address those listed above as well as others, but we have to get the person that drew blood first before having our attention diverted. If left free, I believe it is only a matter of time before he pulls off another attack here on our soil. Although I had a greater certainty a few years ago, I still maintain the belief that we have less time with OBL than the other evil doers of the world, at least today.

 

[CJY]

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QC,<br /><br />Sideways...I have no problem having a discussion with you. I appreciate your honesty and do not hold any of your ideals/thoughts/opinions against you. I suspect we will have more discussions of this nature in the future, and that is ok. It is never anything personal.

 

[RubberFrog]

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You girls gonna kiss and make up?

 

[mikeandronda]

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Its my guess that Saddam had every intention of hurting us and if presented an opportunity would have taken it.......For instance presidential assassination......oh wait he did try that.That to me is a proven motive.....Now do I think OBL is evil and ahould be hunted down like the sick, rabid dog he is.......you can bet yer bottom dollar on that but if in the process of doing so we also can eliminate other threats then so be it.......If OBL failed on 9/11 would he still be just as evil and just as much a threat? yes so the way I see it your more worried about punishment for those who have allready wronged us then preventing another attack. I understand the need for revenge or justice or whatever you want to label it as but I think our future protection is just a bit more importiant.

 

[RubberFrog]

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M&R, we need to be kind and compassionate. Those terrorists had a hard life. It's not their fault. We should raise taxes and send them care packages.<br /><br />Oh yeah, and let their men have our women. Only the gays will stay here in America.