Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

ExxWhy

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I'm sure I can get some good info from the prop gurus here. Here's the form info as best I can.

1. Year, make and model of boat
1989 Wellcraft Fish 18
2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat
17?10 7?9 beam 1740 lbs (w/o motor)
Around 3200 lbs loaded with fuel, equipment, and standard crew.
2a.What is the maximum recommended HP for your boat
150
3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat
2-3 30 gals (43 max, normally at least 30 to start) 2 batts, 70lb dog
4. What do you use the boat for
Fishing
5. Is it a Deep Vee and if so how many degrees of Deadrise
Yes 14 degrees
6. Year, manufacturer and model of motor
1988 Merc 100
7. HP and gear ratio of motor IMPORTANT
100 HP 2.07-1
8. Manufacturer?s recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range
5000-5500
9.
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10. no and no
11. Does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin or trim tabs
Whaletail fins and trim tabs (Bennet)
12. Manufacturer, model, diameter, pitch, number of blades and whether SS or aluminum props. Merc 48-77344-A40L-17P
13. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop 4800 @ 26 mph GPS with extra load on board. 4900 @ 30 MPH with one person
4902 14. Are you at sea level or a higher elevation, give us the elevation in feet ______600____
15 Motor seems to be running fine, new plugs, verified throttle, compression around 100 on all cylinders.
16. How long has this prop been on the boat and why, at this time, do you think it is the wrong prop.
Props came with used boat. Poor hole shot, slow to plane, low RPM.
17. Does the prop show any damage that you can see
Some wear and small nicks, nothing major.
18. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations
Improved acceleration, better planning, reach proper RPM.

Boat is normally loaded fairly heavy. 2 batteries (One aft and one in the CC), 2 anchors, livewell sometimes full, ice, fishing gear, safety stuff, etc. I come up with right around 3200 under normal situations. It will rarely have much less, will almost never be run with one person on board. The first numbers (4800/26 mph) was with more load than normal, 3 guys, 2 dogs, 10 hp kicker, extra fuel tank. Taking the extras out made the boat much more responsive, but hardly snappy. In reality it's underpowered, but have to work with what we have in that area. Motor seems to run fine, but it is 20 plus years old. No reason to suspect the tach is wrong, but it has not been verified against another tach either.

Trim tabs were added over the winter and do help with planing, but it's still sluggish. Without the tabs, had to move to the bow to get it to plane. Tabs came from a different boat and were free, so they may not be the exact size needed, but they are close. Had the whaletale on it when we got the boat, meant to take it off and try that yesterday, but ran out of time. Need to run 4300 or so to stay on plane.

After reading a lot of these threads and seeing my picture at speed, it looks like the motor needs to move up a notch. It does pick up speed (2 MPH) and about 100 RPM if I trim the motor up. Can't go too far before it start to porpoise. Can control the porpoising with some trim tabs, but then it ventilates in turns in that configuration. So guessing up 1 notch. Was also guessing a 4 blade prop is in order for this boat, at least 15P, maybe as low as 13P.

A specific brand prop suggestion would be nice, I'm not too familiar with what they are designed to do from brand to brand. Sorry for the long post, but tried to get all the info in one posting. Let me know if you need anything else and I greatly appreciate the help.

Eric
 
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hwsiii

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

Eric, let me just say you did an excellent job of filling out the form and posting the perfect pictures of what I needed.

You are right between the 13" and the 15" pitch when we change to a 4 blade prop and I want to use the 15".

What I want you to do is take the hydrafoil off totally, you won't need that anymore. Then we need to move the motor up TWO notches not one, that motor is way to deep in the water column. There is a good chance that the prop you have now will ventilate very easily in a turn, but I don't care because the new one will not, and we need to get the RPM up some more.

Your prop slip with the heavier load is over 30%, and that is wayyy to high, and your effective prop pitch is only 11.8". And it is over 21% and your effective prop pitch is only 13.4" with just you on board. Part of the reason for this is because of the hydrafoil and part of it is because the lower unit is too deep in the water.

Prop Slip
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So pull the hydrafoil and raise the motor two notches and trim the motor as high as you can, but that will be very little, and lets see what we get and we will use the new numbers for our base line.


I will be waiting, and take us another picture of the lower unit running at WOT so we can see where we stand.

I just want to compliment you again on the GREAT job you did.



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ExxWhy

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

AWW shucks, thanks!

I try to read the information out there. so many of the prop posts have too little info to work from and you are quite specific in what you need to work with. Glad I had all you needed since you gave me specific direction. 9 times out of 10, I can find what I need to know from what's already on this forum, thus I don't post much.

Not happy about needing to move the motor, but I knew that was coming after peeeking over the back yesterday and knowing last fall we had prop config issues. We did so much to this boat over the winter, I just want to get out and use it at this point. ;) New fuse block, battery switch, extra battery and cables, fish finder/GPS, trim tabs, marine radio, wimpy stereo, extra bilge pump, new livewell pump, wiring and plug for electric kicker, new pedastal seat, refurbed an old 10hp kicker, rod holders, thourough inspection behind every cover knook and cranny I could get to, and probably a couple things I forgot to mention aside from normal maintenance. Would hate to think of the bill if all that was done by a marina. Then again if I was going that route, would have just busted out 40K on a brand new boat. :)

I'll get on the move this week and hopefully have some new numbers soon.
 

hwsiii

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

Eric, use it this weekend and have a great time, after all of the work you did to it this winter you deserve it.

I will be here when you have the new information, and we will work from the new numbers to get you where you are happy with the way your boat performs.



H
 

ExxWhy

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

Back finally with some new numbers. Moved the motor up 2 notches and took off the foil.

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Looks to me like I may need to go up yet one more hole, but that's up to someone with far more expertise than myself. I only have one more to work with BTW.

Came up with 32 MPH @ 5050 RPM. Smooth water behind the breakwall.

Went out today with the more or less standard load for this boat of 2 big guys and a 70lb dog. Probably 350lbs lighter than the heavy load noted in the original post and about 250 lbs heavier than the one person load quoted above. Trim seemed to have little effect on speed and RPM, only had a little trim travel to use. It would ventilate slightly in a sharp turn with some chop, but not much of an issue. Definitely better all the way around, but I am sure you guys have more for me by the time we get done.

Beautiful day on the north coast! Alas, fishing was not so hot today. Bad day fishing beats a good day at work!

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steelespike

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

It really nice to see an improvement with our suggestions.H has a great program
and I'm sure he will check in.I agree with you, he probably will want more height
and rightfully so.It may be really touchy with your present prop but the new prop will sail through.
 

ExxWhy

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

I forgot to mention, I messed up the out of water pics with the ruler a little. In the first pic, the motor is not trimmed all the way down. In the second it is. On top of that, I was by myself for the second pic so just set the ruler on the motor instead of lined up with the keel. I'll do better after the next suspected move. :)
 

hwsiii

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

Eric, you did fine with the pictures, but we still need to move the motor up one more notch and that ought to be perfect, I do expect a problem when you try to trim up much and probably when you make any harder turns, but the new prop will not do that.

I am sorry I have just been very busy lately and not spending the time here I normally am able to, but I will try to do better.



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ExxWhy

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

No apology needed in the least. I most sincerely appreciate your help and all the time you spend working with everyone on here. I'd like to think I speak for most of us on the forum on that point.

Hoping you have been busy boating!

Probably be another week or so until I get it moved again. It is significatnly better already however.
 

ExxWhy

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

Moved the motor up to the last holes. No more room to go higher without a jack plate or drilling new holes, neither solution I am particularly interested in doing.

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Performance wise, got some odd results. With just me in the boat, I was only able to get about 4950 RPM at 31 MPH. Had a big group in earlier in the day and it ran about 4900 @ 29 MPH. That was 3 adults, 2 kids and a dog. At least as heavy as in the very first example above.

So, the speed and RPM dropped off a hair with this latest move. Seemed like the boat was running the same as always. I will say the area I did the latest test was a small shallow inlet off Lake Erie. Lot's of seaweed not far below the surface, so that may have been slowing it down a little. It is possible there may have been a weed or 2 stuck to the motor as well. It was only 4 ft deep in there, though a lot of boats were running at speed in that area. The lake was a bit too choppy to get a good run by myself in the open water to make sure. Could only trim it a slight amount before ventialting and it did vent in turns. At least with this prop, it seemed better down a notch, though I understand the prop change may solve that.

That brings me to wondering about what prop to use. If we go to a 15" 4 blade, we probably won't get the RPM up to 5500, more likely about 52-5300??? I suspect a 13" will put it over 5500 and probably lose some top speed which I don't have a lot to give away anyhow.

HWSII, let me know what you think when you get a moment. Thanks again!
 

hwsiii

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

Eric, I am very sorry I haven't been around lately but this oil spill has kept me very busy.

We did appear to lose some speed with this latest move, but we definitely gained some speed from our initial numbers.

I show your motor should only turn 5,250 RPM at maximum, please verify this with a mercury dealer. If that is the case we need to change to the 15" pitch Solas aluminum 4 blade prop, and if you find out I am wrong please let me know as I will check back this Saturday to see.

If we change to the 15" pitch I expect us to max RPM right at 5,150 and not to lose any speed.

Prop Slip
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ExxWhy

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Re: Prop change help w/ numbers and pics

H, you have some good info! I got the 5000-5500 number from a Seloc book, but just called a Merc dealer and the number they have in their book is 4750-5250 just as you said. Looks like the prediction you have will work out just about optimum for this boat/motor combo.

Is there a difference between a Solas Rubex and a Solas Amita aside from the hub? Is there a big advantage to the Rubex hub?

Again, I sincerely appreciate your time. If you ever get up to Lake Erie, you always have a seat for a fishing trip with me!
 
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