Recirc Hose Routing?

[R. Wood]

I'm a bit frustrated with my current situation but I'm sure you guys will be able to set me straight.<br /><br />Purchased a reman'd powerhead through iboats to repalce one of my '84 1.6l Sea Drives (V4 crossflow flatback).<br /><br />Recieved V4 crossflow with no identifcation or numbers on freeze plug. Found recirc routing different than my orginal.<br /><br />Contacted iboats, they inquired if I had a manual and if not implied I should purchase one. I replied, I do for my orginal and what i recieved wasn't the same. I also indicated I'd be happy to purchase one if they could tell me the model #. They were not able to provide model # nor any other support and suggested I contact supplier directly. <br /><br />TO SAY THE LEAST I EXPECTED BETTER SERVICE FROM IBOATS!<br /><br />After at least a month of back and fourth with supplier, still no model number or recirc routing schematic.<br /><br />To cut to the chase, I recieved V4 crossflow with flatback. Recirc ports on #1 and #3 bypass covers (orginal was back into center crank bearing only)<br /><br />Would very much like to wrap things up, need recirc hose routing and ballpark guess on model # / year.<br /><br />Sorry for the boo-hooing!! <br /><br />Thanks <br /><br />R. Wood

 

[DJ]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

What's the difference? As long as they go from the block to behind the carbs (manifold), there should be no issue. The block may be older or newer (don't know). As long as they are there and the check valves work, it should be OK. The last one I worked on, an '83' the recirc. lines went to the center crankcase.<br /><br />Without serial numbers, ID'ing the block is probably difficult, at best. It really should not matter.<br /><br />iboats does not remanufacture the engines. They only represent those that do. I would be hesitant about trashing the outfit that hosts this great information site-FREE!

 

[Dhadley]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

I take it that the block you recieved has no fitting behind the throttle arm for the center bearing, right?<br /><br />There are several ways to run the hoses depending on the block, intake and by-pass covers. Some by-pass covers have 1 fitting, some 2 and some have none. Some early V4's had no hoses at all.<br /><br />It really doesnt matter where you route the hoses as long as you dont go from the intake of a certian cylinder to the same by-pass cover. IE, dont go from #1 on the intake to #1 by-pass cover.<br /><br />Make sure your new block doesnt have the fitting for the center main. It can be real hard to see if they painted it. Sometimes there's a plastic cover on them. Is there only 1 fitting on each by-pass cover?<br /><br />If there is no fitting in the block and only 1 fitting on each starboard by-pass cover, I would route the hoses from the #1 & 2 on the intake to the bottom (#3) by-pass cover. Then #2 & 4 from the intake to the top starboard (#1) by-pass cover.<br /><br />I know at least one of the suppliers personally and cant believe they couldnt help with the routing. <br /><br />Hope this helps! Good luck!

 

[Dhadley]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

BTW -- about removing the model / serial number plug. By law remanufacturers are required to remove it unless the powerhead is known to be going back on the same engine (with model/serial number plate) it was manufactured with.

 

[R. Wood]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

Thanks for the info. No fitting behind throttle arm. Will route #1 and #2 to #3 bypass cover, and #3 and #4 to #1 bypass cover.<br /><br />I'm suprised, (and glad!) to hear the routing isn't critical. The OMC manual I have for my orginal seems to have over emphasized the crtical nature of the routing. <br /><br />For clarity, it's not that the supplier wasn't able to help. I've just been waiting a very long time (weeks) to recieve the info via snail mail. <br /><br />For the record the supplier did commit to forwarding the old freeze plug, routing schematic, and some extra hose and tees. I just haven't gotten it yet. It was supposed to be sent in a second box for the core return due to damage of the one sent with rem'd head. Apparently betwen tech support and shipping wrong return box was sent. After a few inquires still haven't received it. I was actually pleased with the supplier response but disappointed with the delayed follow through. Even with that said, I would still do business with the supplier.<br /><br />Regarding the iboats thing, I'm very happy to have this wonderful free forum (best thing ever for outboard repairs and disucssion!). This was the primary reason I sent them a big chunk of my hard earned $$$ to get a new motor (and it was a real pinch on my budget, resulting in a lot of heat from the wife!). <br /><br />I hope my comments don't get me "black balled" here, I was just relaying my expierence and feelings. This forum may not have been appropriate, I should have taken it up with them in person and not in public. <br /><br />I apologize for the poor judgement on my part.<br /><br />R. Wood

 

[Dhadley]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

If the supplier was from southwest Fla the box probably was delayed. I think he made out OK as he's pretty far south of here (where the eye passed).<br /><br />No need to apoligize, I'd be frustrated too if hose routing was keeping me off the water. I certianly cant (and wont) speak for iboats but at our company we want to hear about experiances like yours. We look it as a learning oportunity. Good, bad or simply as a chance to improve.<br /><br />Let us know how you make out. Good luck!

 

[R. Wood]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

Dhadley,<br /><br />Thank you for your response and comments.<br /><br />R. Wood

 

[Admin5]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

I asked Dan our engine Dept. mgr to take a look at this thread. Below is a reply that he asked me to post for him:<br /><br />R. Wood – <br />First of all thanks for the purchase! We are very exited that you elected to trust iboats and our network of rebuilders with your hard earned money. I am very sorry that you have not received the information that you requested. I am not sure whom you spoke with when you called and requested this information? As I was your salesman, please feel call me so that I can help you determine what the hold up is and if there is any other information that we can get to you in the meantime. You can reach me at 1-800-869-1686 (109). <br /><br />Thanks!<br />Dan Askew<br />iboats - Engine Department Manager<br /><br />-------------------<br />I am sorry that there has been any confusion or frustration with your purchase and am sure that Dan will do everything in his power to help you out.

 

[Dhadley]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

Excellent customer service Admin5 and Dan!<br /><br />If I can be of any assistance in any way please let me know.

 

[Admin5]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

I am just sorry it took us a day to respond. Thanks for making us aware of the issue.

 

[R. Wood]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

Thanks for your response.<br /><br />I regret not contacting you again when delays were encountered, and will do so in the future if needed.<br /><br />I've worked out the routing issues, and found the needed lines and tees. I was also able to roughly date the powerhead to pre 1984.<br /><br />I should be set from here. If I have any additional issues or concerns, I will not hesitate to contact you directly.<br /><br />R. Wood

 

[Dhadley]

Re: Recirc Hose Routing?

Let us know how it runs. <br /><br />Good luck!