Rush in not right!

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Ralph,<br />I respect your opinion and I'll fight anyone for your right to express it. But I agree that we disagree on ol' Rush.<br />Influential? Maybe. But I think this country would change just fine without his rantings & ravings. We got along for 200 years before him, and we'll get along 200 years after he's gone.<br />And that's all I'm gonna say about that!
 

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Just listen to his show and count the number of people who credit him with opening their eyes. He's been fighting the good fight for many, many years and single handedly created conservative talk radio. You know, that institution everu liberal in the country rails about.
 

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Hope this doesn't start to appear like a Ralph vs Brian thread....<br />I listen to his show every day on my way home from work. He's an ego-centrical self-centered loudmouth that doesn't (hardly) allow anyone that has an opposing point of view speak their peace. Mega-dittoes, my a$$.
 

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Rush tends to overstate his various opinions, and often engages his mouth before getting his brain in gear.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I sometimes agree with what he says. Not this time.<br /><br />I don't think he insulted McNabb, other than to call him over-rated. The man is an African American, and that is all he said about that. He made no racially prejudiced comments.<br /><br />What really got him in hot water, and nobody seems to have noticed this, is that he accused the media (MOST HOLY MEDIA) of prejudice because of McNabbs ethnicity. Of course the media is not going to comment on that.<br /><br />The NFL is well populated with excellent quarterbacks of great skill, and the NFL cares not a whit about their genes. I see McNabb as one of them.
 

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Once again the mighty "Brain" spoke with Mouth before Brain could catch up! IDIOT
 

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The whole thing reminds me of the talk about Larry Bird of years ago, you remember , that if he were black he'd just be average. About Bird, I considered the merit of the comments at least. The knee jerk response in the Rush case is to tar and feather him as a racist. If you did infact think Larry Bird was just average for Blacks, and the best white, are you by definition a racist? The same works in reverse. <br /><br />Edit: Opps, I see you beat me to the punch on the Larry Bird analogy Gaugeguy. Good Point!! :D
 

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The whole thing just points out that it is impossible for a white man to discuss race w/o fearing being labeled a racist. How will we ever get to a color blind society when we can't even discuss the issue w/o fear of being demonized. That's the bigger issue.<br /><br />As for Rush, if I live to be 1/1,000th as successful and influential as he is I will die a happy man. Say what you will of him, but you can not deny he is a force in this country with 30 million regular listeners. 30 Million. That is almost 4 x O'reilly's audience.
 

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JB
The NFL is well populated with excellent quarterbacks of great skill, and the NFL cares not a whit about their genes.
How untrue.<br />The NFL REQUIRES teams to interview minorities for coaching jobs, and fines them if they do not. <br />There is also downward pressure on the owners to draft black qb's. That is why many did it 20 years ago. But they rarely played them. This was all laid out in ESPN's special last week.
 

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I love a chance to point out a facet of human nature, so, here it is IMHO. We as a culture think we are evolving past the days of the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch trials, racism in America, and so on, but not true. Yes of course those are extremes, but the fundamental human impulse to persecute does not change. Only the cultural rules that define outrageousness deserving of persecution changes. We're still the same old witch burners we've always been. I include myself btw, but do think it important to step back and recognize, now and then, what we are.
 

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I like the Titans. :D <br /><br />I think McNair is the best QB in the league. Lets debate. ;) <br /><br />Seriiously, I was watching the show when it happened, and I don't think it was that big of a deal. There were two African Americans present when he made the comments.
 

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JB, you are correct.<br /><br />Rush should have been fired from the show not because the remarks were racist, but because they were preposterous.<br /><br />A person can legitimately argue that McNabb is over-rated. The Eagles agreed to a long-term contract with him that pays him a ton of money, so of course they hope that isn't true, but an argument can be made to that effect.<br /><br />But to argue that it is a media conspiracy to over-rate him because he is black is pure hogwash, and which there is no evidence whatsoever. The media does not give any quarterback a free ride, no matter what his color, as evidenced by their treatment of Cordell Stuart.<br /><br />We have long since passed the days (I thought, at least) when anyone really questioned the capability of a black player to play quarterback. We have had some great players (Warren Moon, for example), and we have had some who have yet to prove themselves (Shawn King; Quincy Carter) Some who are all-pro (Steve McNair) and arguably the best player in the entire league in Michael Vick.<br /><br />The idea that somehow the media would conspire to care, one way or another, about Donovan McNabb, is complete nonsense.<br /><br />Like I say, he should have been fired, not for racism, but rather from complete incompetence.
 

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All I have to say is that if someone came up with something on me, conviently after something like this. I would be wringing some necks. They would be running to congress screaming for anti *** kicking laws.
 

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My opinion is that the media feeds off anyone who uses racist remarks in their comments. Rush isn't the first and won't be the last. If your in the spotlight of the media, you best not refer to a persons skin color or your history.<br /><br />Use of the "N" word was once used without any incident. Now you can say any nasty word and is practically accepted, but by no means never mention the "N" word or your life will become destroyed in the eyes of the media.<br /><br />Ethnic discrimination on job applications is not surpose to have an affect on your ability to get a job. Why is it on most applications? Age discrimination is also an no no, However there is no place to put your date of birth. Then why do they ask for your ethnic background. Does not make sense to me..<br /><br />I don't care if someone is racist or not, this is America and you should have that choice without being ruined. Just my thoughts. <br /><br />Rush has good views as well as bad views. It is up to you to make your own decision on what you think.......SS
 

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It is interesting how people who have achieved little in thier sad empty lives inflate thier sagging ego's by attcking successfull people. Like calling Bush an imbecile, he has a Harvard degree, whadda you got?? (It's not like he smoked his Rhodes scolarship away in Russia which would make him the second coming) Calling Rush an idiot, well he has 30 million listeners, informs the nation of the "other" side of what is reported by the main stream media, and single handedly built AM talk radio into what it is today and saved AM radio from obscurity. Whadda you done?? It is clear who the real losers are here.
 

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Rush should have been fired from the show not because the remarks were racist, but because they were preposterous.<br />
There you go again, attacking and trying to silence speech you don't agree with. Well, here are some facts:<br /><br />Rush Limbaugh Was Right<br />Donovan McNabb isn't a great quarterback, and the media do overrate him because he is black.<br />By Allen Barra<br /> <br />In his notorious ESPN comments last Sunday night, Rush Limbaugh said he never thought the Philadelphia Eagles' Donovan McNabb was "that good of a quarterback."<br /><br />If Limbaugh were a more astute analyst, he would have been even harsher and said, "Donovan McNabb is barely a mediocre quarterback." But other than that, Limbaugh pretty much spoke the truth. Limbaugh lost his job for saying in public what many football fans and analysts have been saying privately for the past couple of seasons. <br /><br />Let's take the football stuff first. For the past four seasons, the Philadelphia Eagles have had one of the best defenses in the National Football League and have failed to make it to the Super Bowl primarily because of an ineffective offense—an offense run by Donovan McNabb. McNabb was a great college quarterback, in my estimation one of the best of the '90s while at Syracuse. (For the record, I helped persuade ESPN Magazine, then called ESPN Total Sports, to put him on the cover of the 1998 college-football preview issue.) He is one of the most talented athletes in the NFL, but that talent has not translated into greatness as a pro quarterback. <br /><br />McNabb has started for the Eagles since the 2000 season. In that time, the Eagles offense has never ranked higher than 10th in the league in yards gained. In fact, their 10th-place rank in 2002 was easily their best; in their two previous seasons, they were 17th in a 32-team league. They rank 31st so far in 2003.<br /><br />In contrast, the Eagles defense in those four seasons has never ranked lower than 10th in yards allowed. In 2001, they were seventh; in 2002 they were fourth; this year they're fifth. It shouldn't take a football Einstein to see that the Eagles' strength over the past few seasons has been on defense, and Limbaugh is no football Einstein, which is probably why he spotted it. <br /><br />The news that the Eagles defense has "carried" them over this period should be neither surprising nor controversial to anyone with access to simple NFL statistics—or for that matter, with access to a television. Yet, McNabb has received an overwhelming share of media attention and thus the credit. Now why is this?<br /><br />Let's look at a quarterback with similar numbers who also plays for a team with a great defense. I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best quarterbacks in pro football—which is how McNabb is often referred to. In fact, I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet, Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of last Sunday, is 7.3 points higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he has completed his passes at a higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and has averaged significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excels in just one area, running, where he has gained 2,040 yards and scored 14 touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb has also been sacked more frequently than Johnson—more than once, on average, per game, which negates much of the rushing advantage.<br /><br />In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson has been a more effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period. <br /><br />And even if you say the stats don't matter and that a quarterback's job is to win games, Johnson comes out ahead. Johnson has something McNabb doesn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his Bucs trounced McNabb's Eagles in last year's NFC championship game by a score of 27-10. The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as having the two best defenses in the NFL last year. When they played in the championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop Johnson. <br /><br />In terms of performance, many NFL quarterbacks should be ranked ahead of McNabb. But McNabb has represented something special to all of us since he started his first game in the NFL, and we all know what that is.<br /><br />Limbaugh is being excoriated for making race an issue in the NFL. This is hypocrisy. I don't know of a football writer who didn't regard the dearth of black NFL quarterbacks as one of the most important issues in the late '80s and early '90s. (The topic really caught fire after 1988, when Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins became the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.) <br /><br />So far, no black quarterback has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black. To pretend that many of us didn't want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because he's black is absurd. To say that we shouldn't root for a quarterback to win because he's black is every bit as nonsensical as to say that we shouldn't have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was black. (Please, I don't need to be reminded that McNabb's situation is not so difficult or important as Robinson's—I'm talking about a principle.) <br /><br />Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black. I'm sorry to have to say it; he is the quarterback for a team I root for. Instead of calling him overrated, I wish I could be admiring his Super Bowl rings. But the truth is that I and a great many other sportswriters have chosen for the past few years to see McNabb as a better player than he has been because we want him to be.<br /><br />Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media have overrated McNabb because he is black, and Limbaugh is right. He didn't say anything that he shouldn't have said, and in fact he said things that other commentators should have been saying for some time now. I should have said them myself. I mean, if they didn't hire Rush Limbaugh to say things like this, what they did they hire him for? To talk about the prevent defense?
 

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Free Speech is not an issue in Rush's case. What the free speech says is that the government shall not interfer with the freedom of speech. As far as I know the government is not involved in this case. All the parties (ESPN, Disney, the NFL) are private.<br /><br />The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress.
 

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History repeats itself every once in a while. What's going on now sounds a little like this doesn't it?<br /><br />"At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" <br /><br />This stinging attack on the Senator by the Counsel for the Army effectively ended McCarthyism before a shocked television audience.
 
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